Europe Ruined 2

[Lord Ederon]

AARs and history logs

Just one note for Van Engel and whoever wants to do anything with game log:
look at Pegasus - program I have link to in my sig. You'll have no problem going through history log

 

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and Flamey that will have a stable connection.

prolly not next session, but I expect to have the cable changed the session after that

 

[Van Engel]

Just one note for Van Engel and whoever wants to do anything with game log:
look at Pegasus - program I have link to in my sig. You'll have no problem going through history log

Thanks.

 

[Chaingun]

If anyone want to see the stats for the base scenario (sigh), here they are:

Stats

Please remember that the player setup is listed as it was planned; it will be changed for every session according to the players who participated.

 

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I edit this reply to communicate my absence from this MP game.
I was Poland and attacked during the game without honour by Austria.
Because of GM's absence/consense (i.e. in my opinion He didn't make his job) I don't feel friendly and so I won't keep on playing it.
I was attacked from AI everywhere after annexing Prussia. I don't want to offend None, I hope Lord Ederon understand a wrong reaction with wrong words. Austria wasn't allied with Hungary, Bohemia accepted peace, which was Austria's interest? Hungary attacked and lost the war. Why I should be his vassal? Austria said 200d (for which reason white peace Poland-Hungary after thousands of died soldiers?) and the war between us is over. I want to play, not to argue.

 

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Because of GM's absence/consense (i.e. in my opinion He didn't make his job) I don't feel friendly and so I won't keep on playing it.

Care to ellaborate? I think the GM did just fine, there was no reason to take action there

 

[Lord Ederon]

I edit this reply to communicate my absence from this MP game.
I was Poland and attacked during the game without honour by Austria.
Because of GM's absence/consense (i.e. in my opinion He didn't make his job) I don't feel friendly and so I won't keep on playing it.
I was attacked from AI everywhere after annexing Prussia. I don't want to offend None, I hope Lord Ederon understand a wrong reaction with wrong words. Austria wasn't allied with Hungary, Bohemia accepted peace, which was Austria's interest? Hungary attacked and lost the war. Why I should be his vassal? Austria said 200d (for which reason white peace Poland-Hungary after thousands of died soldiers?) and the war between us is over. I want to play, not to argue.

Elio, Hungary is in my sphere of influence, even when it is not my direct ally. You've chosen to threaten my interests, so I replied respectively. There was nothing personal in it.

 

[Chaingun]

I don't have a strong urge to defend my actions/reactions. Rather the only thing I have to say is that when I assessed the situation, there was no need to interfere. Why would there, and what should I have time? To me it seemed like a totally legimate (and even justified) attack by Austria on a Poland overextending itself on several fronts. Actually, I think the terms of peace for Carpathia was rather lenient as a term of peace, and it is my firm belief that Austria had the right to change the conditions of the 200d peace deal since the conditions had changed (you did not white peace Hungary). That he wanted Carpathia back was perfectly understandable.

 

[Lord Ederon]

Austria - Poland Peace Deal

We had nice talk with Elio Vasa and clarified everything. When I requested peace between Poland and Hungary, I told him to sign immediate WP. But he read WP as War Peace, not WP as I meant it. So this is the cause of all the mess. Virtually everybody was right in this case. Now we know what was wrong and Elio Vasa will continue as Poland.

Peace deal between Austria and Poland

1. Poland shall secede Carpathia (city of Kassa) to Austria.
2. Poland shall pay 200d to Austria as war indemnities.
3. Poland shall not attack Austria, Bohemia, Hungary or allies of these countries for next 20 years. If Poland finds itself in war with these countries during that time, it should sign white peace (WP) as soon as possible.

Signed by Lord Ederon, Archduke of Austria

 

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Nice session everyone - hopefully we will have less technical problems next time.

I am glad to hear that the Austria-Poland issue has been solved so that Vasa can still play with us.

Also, Chaingun/Enigma is now "gm in charge" of this game. Any doubts, whether in-game or not, should be adressed to him. This way, I can do what I enjoy the most: play EU2 GM'ing involves some amount of strees of which I had enough in the last Europe Ruined game.

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Treaty of Calais
England and France have agreed on the following:
-England cedes Calais to France
-France pays 350d to England

I hope it can be edited (and I hope France has the money in his coffers )

 

[Van Engel]

Just thinking, what to do about BBurg? IS Pibe gonna be its perm. or are we leaving it to die?

 

[Maciejus]

I edit this reply to communicate my absence from this MP game.
I was Poland and attacked during the game without honour by Austria.
Because of GM's absence/consense (i.e. in my opinion He didn't make his job) I don't feel friendly and so I won't keep on playing it.
I was attacked from AI everywhere after annexing Prussia. I don't want to offend None, I hope Lord Ederon understand a wrong reaction with wrong words. Austria wasn't allied with Hungary, Bohemia accepted peace, which was Austria's interest? Hungary attacked and lost the war. Why I should be his vassal? Austria said 200d (for which reason white peace Poland-Hungary after thousands of died soldiers?) and the war between us is over. I want to play, not to argue.

Elio I feel MP is something different than you expected. I'm glad It's all OK now, but you must remember such things like Austria's attack happen all the time here. You should ensure that noone will attack while you are fighting against AI. This is so-called diplomacy. Austria is never happy to see Bohemia or Hungary loosing their territories,just like England would never let someone annex Scotland. GM's task is not to protect anyone from agression . GM has to prevent exploiting bugs , breaking rules and solve many other problems. I'm happy to read that you will play Poland. Loosing Carpathia is no big deal. Next time remeber to have your back covered .

 

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GM's task is not to protect anyone from agression . GM has to prevent exploiting bugs , breaking rules and solve many other problems. I'm happy to read that you will play Poland. Loosing Carpathia is no big deal. Next time remeber to have your back covered .

inideed. Actually, GMs task is to encourage wars, to not get a boring game of peace mongers

 

[Van Engel]

Btw I've started a AAR about Portugal, its in my sig.

 

[Chaingun]

So Elio is back as Poland then? (Updating main thread...)

 

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and pibe just confirmed he won't join the game

Pibe: well, i forgot to go back in my decision
Pibe: however campaign's time doesn't suit me
Flamey: why did you sign up then?
Pibe: I don't have a clue, I'd have been drunk or smoked
Pibe: :-X

how will Poland be edited?

 

[Chaingun]

and pibe just confirmed he won't join the game


how will Poland be edited?

Poland won't be now I guess.

 

[Lord Ederon]

Yes, Elio is back as Poland, so no edits needed, we'll just sign peace as outlined in my previous post.

 

[Van Engel]

and pibe just confirmed he won't join the game

Pibe: well, i forgot to go back in my decision
Pibe: however campaign's time doesn't suit me
Flamey: why did you sign up then?
Pibe: I don't have a clue, I'd have been drunk or smoked
Pibe: :-X

Sounds like Pibe.

 

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sweet morning sarcasm, I love it.
sorry for not informing, guys, the flamed swedish has just told me. It's not my way to leave without saying anything, on the contrary

I don't want to be negative, but I'd like to make some remarkations here. Firstly, if Prussia is missed, then no fun in this game, losing King Frederik and Blucher is silly.

2nd, I've just took a look for the first time to the campaign's list, its my duty to inform that this guy called "Maciej" is a quitter, not dedicated and Impolite. I'm still waiting an answer about why he quitted Northern's Campaign.
Losing a great leader (suleyman) by doing stupid things in the desert in hands of my spain is not usual, but the quitting without saying anything is justified? I use to give more than a chance, but I don't if I have to break my head looking for subs, trying to mantain a campaign that it's hurt, etc

however it's not my concern now, and sorry for being that rude. have a great time with this campaign.