Europe Divided, large MP game, discussion thread

[Prince Eugene]

Oh gosh, I've speaken with RP and Matt and I think I've presented a rather clear understanding.. maybe not enough to RP.

I agree that name calling is a bad thing even though I am guilty of it myself, but responding in a likewise manner and using generalized analogies such as "a 12 year old teenager" can in some cases be equally offensive.

Let's not wreck the game.

Also, Damo please hop on ICQ.

 

[RedPhoenix]

I didnt specify that to anyone, I just said in general I don't want to play with people who don't know how to behave.

 

[RedPhoenix]

Anyway, sorry if I'm a bad game host in some peoples opinion. I just try to run the game best I can and as impartial as I can.

I'm getting too stressed hosting 2 games simultaneously right now, and on top of that using way too much time on the computer playing, when I need to train Tennis and goto the gym daily, and I have been neglecting my fiance along the way too much too, because I love her I should spend more time with her. I got some problems with my back and I had to quit playing tennis last summer because of that, trying to get back into playing shape now so that likely means I have to reduce my playing time considerably.



Anyway, sorry for anyone that I insulted by not meaning to do so, if I have done so, I'm just too stressed right now from all the work it takes to host 2 games at once and play EU2 all day. Sorry if someone thinks they have wasted time playing games I've hosted, I try my best but right now I'm simply out of stamina doing that.

So I'm gonna have to drop out hosting this game, hopefully juv or someone else wants to continue the game, I can try to play some sessions still if a new spain can't be found, hopefully one can be.

Most likely I won't be able to play this friday anyway, when the next session is supposed to be.

Hope this game turns for the better and everyone has a blast playing it, as I put so much work to get it even here.

 

[Prince Eugene]

Sorry Red

Have fun.

 

[unmerged(15723)]

I think managing two games of the size of DoN2 and ED is maybe over the limit but generally Red, you are doing a great job! And I certainly think that the talk of you cheating is all nonsense.

Why some people tent to get so emotional I do not know. But on the other hand I think its good when players really get involved in the countries they play. Maybe something in between is best

On my part, Russia wasn't messed up too badly and I am looking forward continuing ED.

 

[juv95hrn]

Regarding most of the last 20 posts here...

Its a shame all this energy wasn't used to write biased AARs instead. Of course everyone is going to have a different opinion reagarding a war or so depending on wath side you are on. Want to state it? Sure but do it in the AAR section. This thread is for game information in my opinion.

I agree the players of ED have i different level of competence playing this GAME. Yes, its a game, thus people are playing it in different manners and at different skill levels. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to get along together. Could really skillful tennisplayers call other not so good tennisplayers "idiots" in a tennisclub beacuse the missed a really easy volley? I think this would not be accepted. Just because we are all rather anynoumous to each other and are protected by virtual keyboard communication does not mean we are allowed to act in a way not accepted in the real world. At least I wont accept it. This is the MAIN problem with campaigns in my opinion. If this simple rule was adhered to I think a lot less problems would exist.

Roleplaying, cheating, being gamey etc etc. I heard these arguments been flung across forums, lobbies and game screens enough to be fed up with it. Again its a game and people will play it differently. If I'm ever extremly upset by the treachoury of a trusted ally (former) or by the total incompetence of my existing ally I hope I ahve the patience, mental distance and maturity to not take it out on my fellow players without whom i could never ever play this extremely addictive and enjoyable game after all.

What ED and some other MP campaigns could need, admittedly difficult to achieve with +10 people of different nationalities, cultures ages and with different real life situations, is a bit more dedication, discipline, patience and respect. ED suffers from certain technical dificulties still its not as bad back in 1.04 and 1.05. Most of the time waiting are from people showing up late, leaving without warning or while rehosting taking of for certain, probably unmentionable activities. If this problem could be lessened, cause it can never be eliminated, Id be very happy.

Im sure everyone understands exactly what I'm talking about here and really it shouldnt have to be explained. Some people might not agree with me and then we shouldnt play in the same games, no hard feelings but thats for the best for all. I expect everyone to adhere to these basic guidelines in ED from now on or quit volontarily. (Goes already for DON) If I feel people do not agree with me I would be happy to leave and let people play the way the want without any hard feelings but as it stands right now the majority do agree with this.

If you intend to continue ED show up sharp and on time friday 16.00 CET. If not have the courtesy to find a standin, write here that you are not showing up or quitting your permanent country. Dont do it 15 minutes after the session should have started and let 14 other people wait for you. If you intend to break of the session halfways throught, write this here as well and try to find a standin beforehand. Simple rules that should be self explanatorial but so many people seem to disregard them.

From now on lets behave like mature players and show everyone else that the way you play the game as a person is as important as how well you perform in the game.

 

[juv95hrn]

I prepared some rules that we might want to adopt and play by in ED? Red?

MP Campaign rules.

GM = Game Master. Organizer and usually starter of the game.
Host = The person with the computer that the game is run on. Usually the person with the fastest and most reliable connection available.

Pre-session
If you are not able to participate in a session you should
1. Announce this in the forum discussion thread well ahead
2. Inform the GM about this,
3. Try to find and instruct a stand in for the session. If this is impossible you should state this on the forum and to the GM.
4. Give instructions to for the stand in.

Session start
1. Show up on time, 5 minutes before session is usually enough to download the save file before start.
2. If a player is not on time for the session his country will be given to a stand in or played by the AI. If his absence isn’t announced before the session he loses status as permanent player. The GM should appoint a new permanent player.

Game lobby – host and rehost
1. The GM decides what decisions will be taken. Don’t order people around unless you are appointed GM.
2. Don’t select a nation before the host has done so.
3. Don’t select a state before the GM has appointed you one if you are a stand in.
4. If the host is counting down for game launch refrain from writing unless its something vital that makes it necessary to delay game launch.
5. Don’t leave the keyboard while downloading. If you are the only one not selecting you make everyone in the game wait for you. Do whatever it is you have to do after the game has launched.

Game crash
1. Go directly to game lobby as fast as possible
2. The host and GM should allow a maximum of 5 minutes for a crashed person to reboot his computer. Otherwise he has to join on next rehost. The country will be played by any available stand in or the AI.

Player drop
1. If the player that dropped is in war, or in a especially difficult situation fx lots of revolts, the game should be saved and rehosted immediately. GM decision only.
2. If the dropped players country is at peace and the situation stable the game should be kept going the year out and one more full year. The player should then be picked up in a rehost. Lost assets during this time (fx. sunk navies due to attrition should be edited by the GM before next session.)

Player behaviour
1. Players are encouraged to roleplay their states and behave civil to each other. No offensive remarks are allowed. The GM owns the right to ask an individual to leave/ban any player that breaks this rule.
2. If you want to leave the session due to unexpected reasons you should inform the GM that you are leaving and state the reason for doing so. Failure to abide by this means the GM can prevent you from playing the campaign again.

Forum Rules
1. The discussion thread is to discuss technical aspects of the game. Flaming of other players is not allowed. Discussion of in game events is here strongly discouraged unless it cant be discussed on ICQ or in game or deals with technical aspects such as editing, player absence, session dates/times etc.
2. The After Action Report thread (AAR) serves as a biased forum where one might present ones views of the game from ones one perspective. This presentation should be in character and not overly aggressive to other players.

In game rules
1. Unless a house rule states so, any action in the game is allowed. It is allowed to stab hit, refuse to answer peace until government collapse occurs, read and act according to player states events files, create unhistorical alliances etc.
2. Pausing is allowed only in rare circumstances. Participants in war or in special situations as peace negotiations should ask the GM or host to decrease speed if necessary.
3. Depending on game stability the game should be run on normal/below normal speed in peacetime and below normal/slow speed in wartime.

 

[Norrefeldt]

Good rules. It is in a way sad that rules regarding behaviour are needed, but they are, really.
The formal rules regarding what the GM decide have been used in some campaigns and seem to work well.

 

[unmerged(17416)]

I second that! Good rules!

 

[Wyvern]

These rules should be put in a seperate sticky thread at the top of the forum, I think most MP games would benefit from using them. Well stated Juv.

 

[unmerged(15723)]

Originally posted by Wyvern
These rules should be put in a seperate sticky thread at the top of the forum, I think most MP games would benefit from using them. Well stated Juv.

They already are in a separate thread. Needs to be stickied though.
A general set of MP administrative rules...?

juv, as of now you can also remove the questionmark

 

[RedPhoenix]

Anyway since none has posted about it, the next session is to be friday 4.7. 2003!

The game is alive and kicking, I think juv will be in charge about running it mostly thoughb ut I think Ill be able to make this session atleast too.

4pm CET , 10am EST as allways, friday the 4th this week.

 

[Matt_the_king]

I wont be able to make the 4th. Can the GM please inform my sub to not to get into ANY trouble in Europe and to only expand in the rest of the world. Thanks and ill see you guys next monday i hope

 

[unmerged(15723)]

I could have problem making it to 1600 today. But I will be there asap.

To any sub for Russia. Stay in the current alliance and don't wreck the place ok!

 

[juv95hrn]

A few ppl have reported that they will be late today so we will postpone the session 15 minutes. It starts 16.15. Show up on time and DL the save before the session starts.

 

[unmerged(5974)]

The Once and Future? Pope

Hey guys,

I was the pope for a few months, the one throwing occasional insults to Sadistik's OE - nothing personal, oh debauched one

Would love to play again, especially as the Pope, since I find it personally rather ironic. BUT... i'm in Japan, currently with a 64k connection. Is online mping out of my reach? I'm planning to upgrade my conn, but would it matter?

 

[RedPhoenix]

Re: The Once and Future? Pope

Originally posted by hardshard
Hey guys,

I was the pope for a few months, the one throwing occasional insults to Sadistik's OE - nothing personal, oh debauched one

Would love to play again, especially as the Pope, since I find it personally rather ironic. BUT... i'm in Japan, currently with a 64k connection. Is online mping out of my reach? I'm planning to upgrade my conn, but would it matter?

Well it might be ok, your connection that is. If you are intersted in becoming a permanent player then for sure. We play from 4pm CET to around 9pm CET usually. Sometimes longer.

You should have icq thoughi, icq me at 164526

 

[unmerged(11287)]

Welcome, it'll be interesting if we go to a go-con too

 

[RedPhoenix]

and yes subs are welcome too anyway, preferrable would be that you ICQ me or appear in the tsunami channel and ask if a sub is needed. But if you want a perm spot we are looking for a couple players right now.

 

[juv95hrn]

I will not be available to perform my duties as lunatic Danish King. I therefore wish that a standin be organized that should aim for world domination and increasing trade, especially of Danish beer.
Have fun...