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The way things are going, it doesn't seem to be that unlikely. :wacko:El-Rey said:I hope to see world destruction in the next weeks!
Memnon said:
Hmm, I hope so...from the way things look, the alliance of Russia+Prussia+Spain can just steamroll anyone....I mean, even poor UK is being beaten to a bloody pulp...right after UK helped them to victory too
That's hardly our fault. The UK declared war on us, you know.Blitzkrieg said:Hmm, I hope so...from the way things look, the alliance of Russia+Prussia+Spain can just steamroll anyone....I mean, even poor UK is being beaten to a bloody pulp...right after UK helped them to victory too
And it seems that we, the loyal subjects of Mother Russia have not been dissapointed. Brutal Autocracy has won again!Memnon said:I'll certainly keep posting them. You may all continue to live vicariously through the grandure of the Czar.
Ya, they started it!
As for our alliance being able to steamroll anyone, I wouldn't say that. Ever since the war ended, all France's been doing was build troops ad nauseum. I think France wants revenge for the unilateral defeat they suffered in WW1, and I'm pretty sure the second war will be a lot more dogged than the first one. And we won't have to wait long for it, either.
The first war was a beauty though. Here's a quick rundown:
===The road to war===
Austria DoWs 2 Sicilies, to whom Spain is guaranteeing independence. Russia and Spain seize the opportunity for a war without a prestige loss and jump in. Prussia pledges support should it be needed as Prussian armies redeploy along the French and Austrian border. France dishonors her alliance with Austria, deploys troops on Prussian and Spanish borders and assures Prussia she won't invade. Faced with an overwhelming Russian invasion and no allies, Austria quickly ends the war by taking white peace with 2 Sicilies.
===The flames of war===
Immediately after the war, Russia signals to her allies that the time to go after France is now. Prussia and Spain, already massed on the French borders, agree and join the war as Russia DoWs France. France, left with no friends after having dishonored her alliance and unprepared as she had her strike at Prussia pre-empted (a French assurance of neutrality should be, and was, taken as a declaration of war in Berlin, given the past diplomatic history of the French player) valiantly fights against the Prussian and Spanish armies.
France claims to have "held off" the attack for 6 months - of course, at the end of these 6 months the front lines moved from Alsace-Lorraine and the Pyrennees to southern France and French north Africa being in Spanish hands, Paris in Prussian hands along with a large swath of territory leading up to it.
War in the west, beginning
War in the west, middle
War in the west, after 6 months
This is where the war got interesting, as France deployed its last 9 divisions around Paris, got a military tech infusion from the USA and got Austria/OE to board its sinking ship. The result of this intervention was really to give Russian troops some much-needed exercise. The bear was, until now, largely idle other than protecting Prussia's northern flank by blockading the entrance to the Baltic. Once the other two joined the war, not much fighting occured on the Austro-Prussian front. Austria and OE were too busy getting steamrolled by Yogi to care about much else.
===The aftermath of war===
Austria and the OE's decision to jump onto the sinking ship ended with Galizien ceded to Russia by Austria, Armenia ceded by the OE, while France was forced to cede the iron province of Alsace-Lorraine (giving Prussia easier access to Paris next time) and Zurich, while ceding one more province back to the Swiss. She also gave up the western third of its north African territory to Spain, including an iron province.
Here's my rough guess at the size of the forces mobilized:
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Prussia: 850,000
Russia: 800,000
Spain: 150,000
Austria: 350,000
France: 550,000
Ottoman Empire: 400,000
Total (estimated): 3,100,000
The number isn't staggering, but it's not a small war either, especially considering I'm not counting the AI (Netherlands, UK) and that this happened only 15 years after the game's start.
The good guys won this time. Alliance gains are outlined in green, not counting Armenia that the OE ceded to Russia.
As for our alliance being able to steamroll anyone, I wouldn't say that. Ever since the war ended, all France's been doing was build troops ad nauseum. I think France wants revenge for the unilateral defeat they suffered in WW1, and I'm pretty sure the second war will be a lot more dogged than the first one. And we won't have to wait long for it, either.
The first war was a beauty though. Here's a quick rundown:
===The road to war===
Austria DoWs 2 Sicilies, to whom Spain is guaranteeing independence. Russia and Spain seize the opportunity for a war without a prestige loss and jump in. Prussia pledges support should it be needed as Prussian armies redeploy along the French and Austrian border. France dishonors her alliance with Austria, deploys troops on Prussian and Spanish borders and assures Prussia she won't invade. Faced with an overwhelming Russian invasion and no allies, Austria quickly ends the war by taking white peace with 2 Sicilies.
===The flames of war===
Immediately after the war, Russia signals to her allies that the time to go after France is now. Prussia and Spain, already massed on the French borders, agree and join the war as Russia DoWs France. France, left with no friends after having dishonored her alliance and unprepared as she had her strike at Prussia pre-empted (a French assurance of neutrality should be, and was, taken as a declaration of war in Berlin, given the past diplomatic history of the French player) valiantly fights against the Prussian and Spanish armies.
France claims to have "held off" the attack for 6 months - of course, at the end of these 6 months the front lines moved from Alsace-Lorraine and the Pyrennees to southern France and French north Africa being in Spanish hands, Paris in Prussian hands along with a large swath of territory leading up to it.
War in the west, beginning
War in the west, middle
War in the west, after 6 months
This is where the war got interesting, as France deployed its last 9 divisions around Paris, got a military tech infusion from the USA and got Austria/OE to board its sinking ship. The result of this intervention was really to give Russian troops some much-needed exercise. The bear was, until now, largely idle other than protecting Prussia's northern flank by blockading the entrance to the Baltic. Once the other two joined the war, not much fighting occured on the Austro-Prussian front. Austria and OE were too busy getting steamrolled by Yogi to care about much else.
===The aftermath of war===
Austria and the OE's decision to jump onto the sinking ship ended with Galizien ceded to Russia by Austria, Armenia ceded by the OE, while France was forced to cede the iron province of Alsace-Lorraine (giving Prussia easier access to Paris next time) and Zurich, while ceding one more province back to the Swiss. She also gave up the western third of its north African territory to Spain, including an iron province.
Here's my rough guess at the size of the forces mobilized:
===========================================
Prussia: 850,000
Russia: 800,000
Spain: 150,000
Austria: 350,000
France: 550,000
Ottoman Empire: 400,000
Total (estimated): 3,100,000
The number isn't staggering, but it's not a small war either, especially considering I'm not counting the AI (Netherlands, UK) and that this happened only 15 years after the game's start.
The good guys won this time. Alliance gains are outlined in green, not counting Armenia that the OE ceded to Russia.
Lamprey, I'd guess I had more like 1 million men deployed by the end, actually. I built some new divisions as the war progressed.
Anyway, here's a wider map of Europe as it stood at the very end of our session:
Anyway, here's a wider map of Europe as it stood at the very end of our session:
Ah!
I know why he did it.
Making Poland a satellite is to avoid a Prussian invasion, so Memnon can concentrate his forces in East Prussia an Galizien!
I know why he did it.
Making Poland a satellite is to avoid a Prussian invasion, so Memnon can concentrate his forces in East Prussia an Galizien!
Historically, Russia has always looked for buffers with Europe. It can be seen in Peter's expansion, in the expansion into Poland, and in the Cold War. Besides, in the game, the smaller the front I have to defend, the better I have it. And Poland has too many rebellious events for my taste. The POPs work at below-average efficiency and they want to revolt. I don't need them at all, so why not just give them their own country and be done with it?
Memnon said:Historically, Russia has always looked for buffers with Europe. It can be seen in Peter's expansion, in the expansion into Poland, and in the Cold War. Besides, in the game, the smaller the front I have to defend, the better I have it. And Poland has too many rebellious events for my taste. The POPs work at below-average efficiency and they want to revolt. I don't need them at all, so why not just give them their own country and be done with it?
Although then you might as well have annexed krakow while you were at it.. one less AI to slow you down. But I really can't see the problem for Prussia/Germany here. If you're allied to poland, he can invade them anyway, and they'll have to be defended by you, if you're not allied to them, Prussia can eat as much of them as she please. So the only real benefit is a few extra divisions from poland, less territory to rebel against you, and a larger prestige hit for Germany if she attacks.
Stingray said:
Prussia and Russia are allies in this game
There is no need for buffer
You're not seeing Germany because Bavaria felt like being lame and going democratic in January of 1851. And, being engaged in a war, I missed it.
As for Poland being not a good buffed, I disagree. Russia can just choose not to call on its allies to defend it and Poland will stay out of the war, leaving Germany no access. Also, he can always release Lithuania later (4 provs?) and cut off land access altogether forcing Germany to build a navy.
Besides, seeing as we're allied anyway it doesn't matter much militarily, but I suspect the headaches saved are worth it. If you play Krakow sometime in the GC and try to buy back some Polish provinces from Russia anytime after 1850, you'll notice that they're only a few k in population, most often 2 pops of under 1k each, both with a militancy of 9. That's a lot of revolts. :
As for Poland being not a good buffed, I disagree. Russia can just choose not to call on its allies to defend it and Poland will stay out of the war, leaving Germany no access. Also, he can always release Lithuania later (4 provs?) and cut off land access altogether forcing Germany to build a navy.
Besides, seeing as we're allied anyway it doesn't matter much militarily, but I suspect the headaches saved are worth it. If you play Krakow sometime in the GC and try to buy back some Polish provinces from Russia anytime after 1850, you'll notice that they're only a few k in population, most often 2 pops of under 1k each, both with a militancy of 9. That's a lot of revolts. :
Krakow is already my satellite. I haven't gotten around to annexing it yet, but when I do, I'll give it away to Poland, probably.Stingray said:
Large satellites like Poland also have other uses besides just being buffers, you know. Poland already has one tech I don't have, and since it can't trade with anyone but me, I know no one else can give it the techs I have. As soon as I get enough research points, I can start trading with my larger satellites for technologies. Since they start out at +200 with me, that will be easily done.
As for the buffer, well, yes, satellites have liabilities as well, but remember, I can move through Polans whether or not they're invoved in the war, so if Prussia is foolish enough to ever delcare war on me, he'd half to garrison the entire Polish frontier, even if I never choose to move through it.
Yup, satellite gives its "master" flexibility". Russia can decide not to seek its satellite's help and walk through it, while the other nation cannot. It is similar to what Prussia can do versus France using bavaria and Baden as safe haven.
Of course, if you know about it, you can counter it
Of course, if you know about it, you can counter it
Blitzkrieg said:
What IRC channel are you idling on? I'm a non player, but it seems so Machiavellian I can't help but want to watch.