Europe Ablaze MP vanilla 1.03b AAR

[Darkrenown]

Heh

Well, maybe if Ukraine appears...

Don't you get immigration from China, btw?

And, i may be obnoxious again, but my two usualy questions:

1) Do you allow giving away techs to humans? (as opposed to asking from)

2) Who has healthcare reforms and to what extent?

Ukraine won't be appearing, and I get bugger all from China.

1) Yes, although for the next game we plan on some rules about that. Probable techs can only be traded for techs.
2) UK has acceptable, Sweden has good. No other players have any.

 

[Darkrenown]

Now, thats the proper attitude, not that Spain "i want to be next superpower" one

I tell you, Spain is a threat to the free world!

 

[Darkrenown]

sorry, that was from my point of view

So from whom did he take the land, USA, Spain, Ottamans or is it Prussia. i can see why the astrians are in it or UK,

plus its normal for russia to have 200 divisons couse they have a large land to cover, plus prussia or USA can modolize the same amount,

He's taken land from USA, UK, AUS and OE. I don't see how could have missed why PRU and SPA were in it, but I'll repeat it: SPA and PRU were allied to RUS, RUS contacted SPA about a plan to attack PRU. SPA was not pleased with RUS and so told PRU, who was not happy either.
Edit: and it's not just his army size that has us worried, he also had the highest industrial score my far and the 3rd highest prestige.

 

[Darkrenown]

2) Why so few? I guess you cannot institute due to laissez-fair parties, but having good healthcare should be the goal before 1860... i mean, the only and one important resource in this game is population, and especially national population... And good healthcare gives you, IIRC, +0.07% to growth, doubling pre-medicine one.

Me, it's the L-F, I suppose the others were unable to afford it.

And for Ukraine, as i said in my previous post. If you guys maintain solidarity, you can get as much from Russia as you want, and even partition it. The only problems is that Memnon would probably quite, but hell-it shouldn't be a concern in real world that Tsar is not happy, should it?

I don't want the Ukraine released. Nor do I have any desire to ruin the game for Memnon, we're playing this game for fun.

 

[Darkrenown]

However, remember that the Allies started the war and they are the agressors, and the antebellum military score should have shown how much hot air there was in the paper bear. Even with a total of 200 divisions, Memnon was outnumbered more than 3 to 1 in land forces, and his navy was thoroughly ooutclassed.

Again, as well as his huge army, he had a massive industrial score and an even vaster population.

Reparations would be a joke. You can't even use the (lame) French excuse that he started it, because he didn't. His villainy is questionable, and it doesn't look like he did any real damage to any of the Allies during the war.

True, but he did the damage before the war, which is why the war came about.

Lastly, he still has over a million men under arms. If he has more on the way, then he can hold on for a long time. Russia is still Russia. He can't win a war of annihilation, but, if he as the resolve, he can hold on for years in a war of attrition on the defensive. Five years from now, he'll be sitting in his mountain fastnesses and offering roughly the same terms.

Did you look at the screen shots? 600/700k are encircled and unable to do anything while 20k are encircled and are being wiped out in his capital. Sure, he can build more units, but we can see his ind rating dropping already, holding out will bankrupt him.

And there's still time for France and Sweden to get greedy. I'm sure France would like all of Algiers back, and Jylland can tempt the Swedes.

Do tell me what you expect Sweden to do, they don't have much of an army, and even if they did they'd have to match wooden ships my our Ironclads to transport them anywhere. France is taking advantage of the war to attack Belgium, so they are busy for the mean time. Prussia has kept a strong border guard while Spain hasn't even shipped half their army to Russia. UK can drop at least 500,000 men on France if they join in while the USA can ship over a further 600,000. No one expected Russia to fold so easily, but since they have the alliance hasn't had time to commit even half their troops.

 

[Darkrenown]

OK, i agree couse i didnt see the game, but 20 provinces are more that ok 2 please ottomans or free land to spain, couse im sure it was more then easy to invade a country with 700 divisions vs 200 russian (700 is a sum)

Again, most of the land is going back to the people he took it from. Maybe 4-6 provinces Russia started with are being demanded.

 

[Darkrenown]

To take me back to 1836 borders--even if I do get to keep Ukraine--would entail cedeing control over literally 38 provinces and the loss of over 100 million people from my population, leaving me not equal to, but substantially weaker than, several of my neighbors, especially when you consider that not only will I be losing the land, but that it will be transfered to them.

You're still going to have the highest population o any player, at least the population of the 3 player nations bordering you AND you'll still have the highest industrial rating.

 

[Darkrenown]

Personally, I’m losing interest in this game rapidly. It seems more like fishing for forum fame than a serious game of Vicky.

If you're not interested, quit reading, but what is that second part meant to mean?

 

[Darkrenown]

Left to her core provinces, and without the satellites she released, Russia is not to be worried about. The Allies themselves will ensure that there will never be a next time by holding Russia below a set number of divisions.

Quit making stuff up, no one has proposed limiting Russia's army.

 

[Darkrenown]

Then do it. Don't restrain yourselves just because of me. I made a series of errors and blusters, and you people destroyed me. That's the way of the game. Take your peace, but expect me to walk. It won't be becuase I feel insulted or embarassed, but just becuase the game won't really be fun for me after losing all that territory, and especially ater the realization that if I ever actually try to win the game, everyone will get together and stop me. That's fine, I have no complaints. Take whatever peace you want from the AI, just don't expect me to participate in the game anymore.

Would you please ignore November? He's not part of the game and his option on the peace treaty really does not matter here.

 

[Darkrenown]

And if Russia wants to quit after losing a war badly, then so be it. Memnon has even said not to let that factor into their decisions. Why the hell should Russia even be in the top 5 after losing this war? And yet I'm sure it will be under current negociations.

You know, I like Memnon. I want him to stay in the game. And i don't consider this peace treaty overly harsh: When Russia organised an alliance war to crush France, they lost 500,000 to 1,000,000 men, went into negative prestige and lost their main Iron province, which crashed thier economy and were forced.
When Austria tried to help France, they were also crushed and went into negative prestige.
When Russia, France, Prussia and Spain DoWed me I loast 500,000 men and the land in india I'd bought from the UK which provided me with manpower for my entire army.
Russia isn't the only one to have lost a war.

 

[Darkrenown]

Just think Memnon as they fight each other afterwards you can build up and attack DR...proving once and forall that he is not out of reach....

Jeez, he already attacked me! read my last post

 

[Darkrenown]

What are you? The thread police? I’ll read what I want—thanks.

You're the one that said the thread no longer interests you, if you don't like it don't read it. More obvious advice than "thread-policing" IMO.

Edit: Sure, PM me, I still have no idea what you meant.

 

[Darkrenown]

Not true. I did. From my couch of detachment, self-righteousness, and semi-informed-ness. Oh, and sleep-deprivation.

Sorry if I sounded overly harsh there, BTW

 

[Darkrenown]

Details, Darkrenown, give them the details!

The 500,000 men you lost were all natives you had just recruited from Bengal specifically for that war. Your standing army wasn't even touched.

Half a million men, gone! Evil, evil Russia!

 

[Darkrenown]

Russia backed down on the Crimean event a few sessions ago, I think it came up when they were preparing to attack me

As for the next conflict, well, there's the upcoming Frano-Prussian war events. We'll see what comes of them. *Dun dun DUN!* <--dramatic music

 

[Darkrenown]

Quitting is very bad form. Of course, having to leave a lengthy game like Vicky is not quitting. Vicky is soooo long to play allowances have to be made. This makes quitting more reprehensible.

Memnon had tech issues two weeks ago and when the war started he was at somewhat of a disadvantage, but the only way to fix it would have been to edit the save and restart the war, and if you start doing stuff like that the game just gets silly. So I'd have understood if he'd quit then, but he played on.

Given the amount of time MP Vic takes, there's no point in playing if you truely believe your nation is no longer viable, and clearly Memnon felt this was the case for Russia if the gave up the Ukraine, where apparently most of his industry is centred. While we want to impose a strong penalty on Russia, I had and have no desire to see them cripped to that point and the demand for freeing the Ukraine had been dropped before Mem "quit", seemingly Memnon was not aware of that when he made his announcement, but now we're back in peace talks to work out a harsh but not crippling peace offer.

I don't feel Memnon was unreasonable to not want to play when he believed his nation was going to be made unplayable, if the US was forced to give up it's northeast coast I'd be out of the game, and when France lost the multi-nation war against it the French player flatly refused to give up his only defensible border. There are some things a nation cannot give up and still continue in the high-stakes world of MP.

 

[Darkrenown]

Then I’d try to build an alliance against the *real* evil empire—Great Britain.

First step: Rename them Evil Britain

 

[Darkrenown]

The same evil GB that dumped 50 k into your coffers because your econ was going down the drain during the great war???

Maybe Raf should make you pay that back?

As you know, money is the root of all evil

Anyway, I'm giving up my claim to the indian land Russia took from me earlier, that should be enough to please the UK

 

[Darkrenown]

Texas is staying with me, only the UK could possibly invade me...Wait, the UK is evil!