Europa Universalis IV – How we changed the world

[Pete0714]

I'll admit I haven't watched the Showtime series myself. However, the Canal+ series gives so much depth and complexity to the era, (for instance taking four episodes to lead up to Rodrigo's election instead of the Showtime series' one). That complexity more than makes up for John Doman having an American accent (plus the accent didn't really bother me after an episode or two). I also like how every character is flawed, because it gives a more realistic portrayal of the times. Plus the Canal+ one just goes into so much more historical detail that I've found myself looking up events in the series to see if they happened, and all of the time they did. The only significant historical liberty that's taken in the show is the timeframe is sped up, which is understandable so they don't need to spend more on makeup and it creates a heightened dramatic feel. They even spend a significant amount of time on Lucrezia's governorship of Spoleto to show her as a competent administrator.

Yes, I agree, its deep and real, I'll give the Canal one that, but you know, for me, I get a little depressed with real humanity from time to time, and I like to watch a little historicized fiction from time to time. the Showtime one does that for me, as it allows me to escape a little bit, while at the same time get a contextual frame for if I really want to research the actual truth later on.

 

[Pete0714]

Sometimes I wonder why people say the Dutch are the nicest people. Is Black History Month also anti-White? Stop being a 10 year old.

Its sad also that some people argue that black history month is anti-white. "what about white history month?!" they ask. As a white guy myself I reply, we have a month for that: it's called Janmaraprmayjunulyaugsepocnovedecember. Same goes for this one out of 365 days. Give one day, folks.

 

[vyshan]

Julie d'Aubigny
Julie D'Aubigny was a 17th-century bisexual French opera singer and fencing master who killed or wounded at least ten men in life-or-death duels, performed nightly shows on the biggest and most highly-respected opera stage in the world, and once took the Holy Orders just so that she could sneak into a convent(which she burned down) and sleep with a nun.

Gráinne Ní Mháille
She is better known as either Grace O'Mally or Granuaile. She was the famous pirate of Connacht. She supported Irish rebels, raided other castles, had a meeting with Queen Elizabeth the 1st. There are countless tales about her numerous exploits from her days as a pirate and a raider.


So there are two interesting women to add to this thread.

 

[MonsieurChoc]

I'm just going to post Jeanne III, Queen of Navarre and leader of the Huguenots during the French Wars of Religion, as well as mother to legendary King Henri IV.

 

[keneticpest]

I'm so glad that the Paradox development team is hard at work on feminist propaganda rather than fixing the game!

Yes. As we all know, someone who celebrates the literal, factual achievements (as in the ones that actually happened. You know, irl) of women must be propaganda! It all makes sense.
*Also, TIL being in PR is the same thing as actually developing games. The more you know.

 

[Tanngnjost]

Is there some sort of contract you have to sign that compels you to be very prejudiced against anything starting with fem- and ending in -ism before you get to play video games? Because I somehow never got it, and I hope I'm still fine.

 

[mcmanusaur]

Nice post.

 

[ceteris.paribus]

Pretty cool doing this for Women's History Month. Should've done something like this for Black History last month with some African Nations too

 

[vyshan]

Pretty cool doing this for Women's History Month. Should've done something like this for Black History last month with some African Nations too

only issue with that is that is not an international holiday. Women's day is on the other hand.

Still learning more history of the rest of the world is always good.

 

[Thure]

Louise of Mecklenburg-Strelitz!

 

[Mindstorm]

Wow, no Isabella of Castile? You can't be serious. You're telling me one the most notable reigning queens in the world, the woman who's support allowed Columbus' voyages to happen, and under whom Spain was united and began its Golden Age isn't one of "women of the era that changed the world"?

Oh, I see. She's exluded because she didn't think Spain should have lots of muslims and jews in it. I'm sure everyone featured here would have done the right thing and filled their country with muslims like today's Sweden.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

Wow, no Isabella of Castile? You can't be serious. You're telling me one the most notable reigning queens in the world, the woman who's support allowed Columbus' voyages to happen, and under whom Spain was united and began its Golden Age isn't one of "women of the era that changed the world"?

Oh, I see. She's exluded because she didn't think Spain should have lots of muslims and jews in it. I'm sure everyone featured here would have done the right thing and filled their country with muslims like today's Sweden.

Oh, the 3rd one. Welcome!

 

[Mindstorm]

Oh, the 3rd one. Welcome!

Oh, I'm "sexist"? Did I say something on those lines?

In regina's own words:

Many rulers throughout history may have done great things as well as descpicable things, but with their legacy they did still changed history and the world.

Yet Isabella isn't featured. Hmm. Let me guess, her "despicable" things outweigh her other legacy? You can't be serious.

 

[Thure]

Wow, no Isabella of Castile? You can't be serious. You're telling me one the most notable reigning queens in the world, the woman who's support allowed Columbus' voyages to happen, and under whom Spain was united and began its Golden Age isn't one of "women of the era that changed the world"?

Oh, I see. She's exluded because she didn't think Spain should have lots of muslims and jews in it. I'm sure everyone featured here would have done the right thing and filled their country with muslims like today's Sweden.

Just because someone isn't on the lust didn't mean Paradox don't like her...

 

[TiFlo]

Thank you Regina for that thoughtful and very informative post.

 

[LiberiusX]

Its sad also that some people argue that black history month is anti-white. "what about white history month?!" they ask. As a white guy myself I reply, we have a month for that: it's called Janmaraprmayjunulyaugsepocnovedecember. Same goes for this one out of 365 days. Give one day, folks.

I think the animosity, at least in the US, is more focused on the fact that modern society forces people to belong to groups. People are made to feel like their skin color, gender, sexual orientation etc. is what should define them most, not their achievements as an individual or as a team. Thus, people feel alienated because they feel we are lauding people more because of the group they belong to and not what they did. IMHO, we shouldn't designate certain time periods to celebrate people, they should be celebrated organically and spontaneously at all times and in all places.

 

[Mindstorm]

People are made to feel like their skin color, gender, sexual orientation etc. is what should define them most

With the notable exception of European-Americans (White Americans). You see, cultural marxism is all about simultaneously making heterosexual White males believe in "individuals" and everyone else believe in groups, because that weakens heterosexual White males and is the way to "empower" others at their expense. Politics is all about group power, not individuals.

 

[Strompator]

I think the animosity, at least in the US, is more focused on the fact that modern society forces people to belong to groups. People are made to feel like their skin color, gender, sexual orientation etc. is what should define them most, not their achievements as an individual or as a team. Thus, people feel alienated because they feel we are lauding people more because of the group they belong to and not what they did. IMHO, we shouldn't designate certain time periods to celebrate people, they should be celebrated organically and spontaneously at all times and in all places.

+1

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

With the notable exception of European-Americans (White Americans). You see, cultural marxism is all about simultaneously making heterosexual White males believe in "individuals" and everyone else believe in groups, because that weakens heterosexual White males and is the way to "empower" others at their expense. Politics is all about group power, not individuals.

Mhm, I was right.

 

[Manbearpig]

Yes. As we all know, someone who celebrates the literal, factual achievements (as in the ones that actually happened. You know, irl) of women must be propaganda! It all makes sense.
*Also, TIL being in PR is the same thing as actually developing games. The more you know.

Eww, go back to reddit.