Europa Universalis IV – How we changed the world

[Trin Tragula]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarabai

Tara Bai, in turns the power behind the throne and the leader of powerful factions vying for power in the Maratha empire for much of its existance. Even as a 70-year old she managed a comeback in force when everyone had stopped paying attention to her.

Anyone interested should reda this book http://www.amazon.com/Social-History-Deccan-1300-1761-Cambridge/dp/0521716276 (she is one of the 8 indians Eaton cover in the book).

 

[Pete0714]

Caterina Sforza

Known as the "tiger of Forlì", she was a powerful ruler in central Italy during the Renaissance. She had a passion for hunting, warfare an alchemy. She used to say she would bow to no man. Her stubborness eventually led her into a conflict with the powerful papal Borgia family. A cruel woman for cruel times, when she was sieged in her own keep and her son was being held in front of the walls and threatened of death, she shouted at her enemies to feel free to kill him, for she had the means to produce more sons, and then proceeded to show her intimate lower parts to the besieging army.


Lucrezia Borgia

Really needs no introduction, the quintessential femme fatale. She was rumoured to be a murderer, a poisoner, and an insatiable she-devil who would indulge in orgies and incest. We don't know how much of it was actually slanders, but we know she was the lover of the most powerful men of her time.

Have you also been watching "The Borgias" on Netflix, like me? :laugh:

 

[delra]

See, for me every peasant woman who managed to live an honest full of hard work life as simple as it was and raise a bunch of kids to be good people is worth more than all those bloodied bitches of power and fame combined...

 

[wilcoxchar]

Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz (1651-1695)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sor_Juana_Inés_de_la_Cruz

Have you also been watching "The Borgias" on Netflix, like me? :laugh:

I do hope you're referring to the "Borgia: Faith and Fear" from Canal+, and not the inferior Showtime series.

 

[Pilot00]

You can't hold people of many centuries past to the same standards you would hold someone who's grown up in a 21st century world.

Yes because as we all know in our century and the past one our leaders didnt commit the same things /sarcasm.

 

[delra]

The thing is, there ain't such a thing as immoral behavior when it comes down to discussing rulers. They are to be judged by whether they were helpful or detrimental to their nation, rather than some abstact humanity (which has never existed in the first place). Queen of Spain being condemned for driving jews off Spain is as stupid as Russians talking crap about Hitler because he invaded USSR. It makes no sense.

It's still not okay (as in: morally excusable) to murder, drive away, settle in a death camp someone or someones when they are of different race, religion or nationality...

 

[unmerged(603871)]

I'm so glad that the Paradox development team is hard at work on feminist propaganda rather than fixing the game!

 

[Strompator]

I'm so glad that the Paradox development team is hard at work on feminist propaganda rather than fixing the game!

LOL.....as the guy who said above 'international man-hating day' ....pretty dam funny. Although, I will say I've read two bio's on Maria Theresa, and she was a pretty tough cookie.

 

[solamyas]

I'm so glad that the Paradox development team is hard at work on feminist propaganda rather than fixing the game!

It think you are wrong, public relations team and development team are seperate things.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

I'm so glad that the Paradox development team is hard at work on feminist propaganda rather than fixing the game!

I'm surprised that this is only the 2nd sexist post on the thread...

 

[Urdnot_scott]

I'm so glad that the Paradox development team is hard at work on feminist propaganda rather than fixing the game!

The idea that someone could consider celebrating factual achievements of real women as 'propaganda' somewhat boggles the mind. Jesus :L

 

[Conch]

Maria Theresia fended off Prussian attacks?

Good joke. Read a history book pls. Nuff said.

 

[Pete0714]

Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz (1651-1695)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sor_Juana_Inés_de_la_Cruz

I do hope you're referring to the "Borgia: Faith and Fear" from Canal+, and not the inferior Showtime series.

Sorry. I tried both, but I can't get past the Castilian Pope with an American accent. I find I also hate everyone in the Italian one, which makes it hard to care about anyone enough to get through it. I am willing to suspend historical reality enough for the sake of likeable scoundrels like only Jeremy Irons can perfect. IMHO of course

 

[Mercadi]

Was she mentioned? King Jadwiga Jagiellon, the woman who saved Lithuania from Teutonic order and was key person to start events which led to forming of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Also, let's not forget Jeanne de Clisson, "Breton Lioness", a noblewoman pirate and mother of seven, who specifically hunted down French nobility for 13 years. Then retired, settled down, and peacefully died at the age of 59. Her ghost is said to haunt Clisson castle in Brittany.

 

[Pete0714]

I'm so glad that the Paradox development team is hard at work on feminist propaganda rather than fixing the game!

Actually, I think the games could use a bit MORE feminist propaganda, just to irk people like this. I find it funny someone gets angry when women are recognized as being important in history by a game company that makes historical games. Not to mention, Regina is not in that department, she's in PR, so what is the harm?

 

[Zzzzz...]

I swear. Out of all the threads, this one has the worst commenters.

Caterina Sforza

Known as the "tiger of Forlì", she was a powerful ruler in central Italy during the Renaissance. She had a passion for hunting, warfare an alchemy. She used to say she would bow to no man. Her stubborness eventually led her into a conflict with the powerful papal Borgia family. A cruel woman for cruel times, when she was sieged in her own keep and her son was being held in front of the walls and threatened of death, she shouted at her enemies to feel free to kill him, for she had the means to produce more sons, and then proceeded to show her intimate lower parts to the besieging army.

Winner!

 

[soda7777777]

I swear. Out of all the threads, this one has the worst commenters.


Winner!

What's so bad about that comment? Seems like an apt statement.

 

[wilcoxchar]

Sorry. I tried both, but I can't get past the Castilian Pope with an American accent. I find I also hate everyone in the Italian one, which makes it hard to care about anyone enough to get through it. I am willing to suspend historical reality enough for the sake of likeable scoundrels like only Jeremy Irons can perfect. IMHO of course

I'll admit I haven't watched the Showtime series myself. However, the Canal+ series gives so much depth and complexity to the era, (for instance taking four episodes to lead up to Rodrigo's election instead of the Showtime series' one). That complexity more than makes up for John Doman having an American accent (plus the accent didn't really bother me after an episode or two). I also like how every character is flawed, because it gives a more realistic portrayal of the times. Plus the Canal+ one just goes into so much more historical detail that I've found myself looking up events in the series to see if they happened, and all of the time they did. The only significant historical liberty that's taken in the show is the timeframe is sped up, which is understandable so they don't need to spend more on makeup and it creates a heightened dramatic feel. They even spend a significant amount of time on Lucrezia's governorship of Spoleto to show her as a competent administrator.

 

[benice1234]

Oh wait, I just remembered, it's International Man-Hating Day again. That's the reason for this thread.

Sometimes I wonder why people say the Dutch are the nicest people. Is Black History Month also anti-White? Stop being a 10 year old.

 

[BlueYoshi]

Haven't read through the whole thread, but "Go Women!" and all that, i guess.


What i really wanted to say is:

My entry to "Women who changed the world":

My mom ( no pics included)

She gave birth to loveslater. Enuff said.

That is so sweet and funny. You get a cookie.