Europa Universalis IV - Development Diary #0 - Our Vision

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I guess that's the big issue, eh? Some countries will likely have dozens of DHEs while other may have only a couple or none at all. So the immediate question for the developers is how is the team planning to distribute DHEs? 70 for France, 2 for Korea? :p
Well, Johan already said that there's big 8 including Ottoman Empire, that would get 'most of love' - so yeah, some countries would get more, some less.
 

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Well, Johan already said that there's big 8 including Ottoman Empire, that would get 'most of love' - so yeah, some countries would get more, some less.
Naturally. The game is still Europa Universalis, of course. What I'm wondering is if "less love" means significantly less rewarding to play. It would be kind of mean if Prussia had a dozen DHEs but I get none because I played as Pommerania and conquered northern Germany ahistorically. I hope there are a lot of DHEs which are less limited to a single tag and instead aimed at the hegemon in certain regions. If Bavaria becomes the big regional power in Southern Germany at Austria's expense, shouldn't Bavaria be able to get some DHEs that would normally go to Austria?

What if I build the Lancasters to be the great family of Europe instead of the Habsburgs? Some DHEs to reflect different historically plausible outcomes would be appreciaed! :)
 

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Naturally. The game is still Europa Universalis, of course. What I'm wondering is if "less love" means significantly less rewarding to play. It would be kind of mean if Prussia had a dozen DHEs but I get none because I played as Pommerania and conquered northern Germany ahistorically. I hope there are a lot of DHEs which are less limited to a single tag and instead aimed at the hegemon in certain regions. If Bavaria becomes the big regional power in Southern Germany at Austria's expense, shouldn't Bavaria be able to get some DHEs that would normally go to Austria?

What if I build the Lancasters to be the great family of Europe instead of the Habsburgs? Some DHEs to reflect different historically plausible outcomes would be appreciaed! :)
Yeh, I hope they'll be region-specific; some for HRE minors, some for Russian states, Balkan states, etc. It'll be interesting to see New World ones...
 

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What if I build the Lancasters to be the great family of Europe instead of the Habsburgs? Some DHEs to reflect different historically plausible outcomes would be appreciaed! :)
There's LOTS of content for that already in EU.
 

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Sounds about right as a distribution percentage. This is Europa Universalis.
And I don't disagree with that, really. Europa Universalis is about Europe. I get that, it's the game's main theme. HOWEVER, would it be possible to include maybe 1 or 2 countries from each of the world's regions in the "lots of love" category? Maybe Egypt for Africa, China for east Asia, the Mughals for India, etc? If there's at least one or two countries worth playing in each region, I think I would be deeply pleased and impressed. Please consider this, sir! Thank you! :)
 

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Naturally. The game is still Europa Universalis, of course. What I'm wondering is if "less love" means significantly less rewarding to play. It would be kind of mean if Prussia had a dozen DHEs but I get none because I played as Pommerania and conquered northern Germany ahistorically. I hope there are a lot of DHEs which are less limited to a single tag and instead aimed at the hegemon in certain regions. If Bavaria becomes the big regional power in Southern Germany at Austria's expense, shouldn't Bavaria be able to get some DHEs that would normally go to Austria?

What if I build the Lancasters to be the great family of Europe instead of the Habsburgs? Some DHEs to reflect different historically plausible outcomes would be appreciaed! :)
Yeah, that's the main problem with philosophy of historical events (only for country A), rather than more elaborate generic events (that are more flexible, and can be applied to multiple countries under right circumstances).
 

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And I don't disagree with that, really. Europa Universalis is about Europe. I get that, it's the game's main theme. HOWEVER, would it be possible to include maybe 1 or 2 countries from each of the world's regions in the "lots of love" category? Maybe Egypt for Africa, China for east Asia, the Mughals for India, etc? If there's at least one or two countries worth playing in each region, I think I would be deeply pleased and impressed. Please consider this, sir! Thank you! :)
I can't even do basic modding, but I'm guessing this imbalance will be one of the first things that modders will address.
 

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Yeah, that's the main problem with philosophy of historical events (only for country A), rather than more elaborate generic events (that are more flexible, and can be applied to multiple countries under right circumstances).
Being fair of course, assuming that EU4 follows the same model of nation building as EU3, tag specific DHEs won't be a problem for a lot of countries. If you want a lot of flavour as Orleans, get the right provinces and tag change to France. Conquering Russia as Novgorod shouldn't be an issue because you should, in theory, be able to tag change to Russia and then get access to all of the Russian flavour that would usually go to a Moscow that turned into Russia, right?


What I'm curious about is the tags who can't (or would have a very hard time) taking advantage of a tag changing decision to get access to flavour.
 

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Being fair of course, assuming that EU4 follows the same model of nation building as EU3, tag specific DHEs won't be a problem for a lot of countries. If you want a lot of flavour as Orleans, get the right provinces and tag change to France. Conquering Russia as Novgorod shouldn't be an issue because you should, in theory, be able to tag change to Russia and then get access to all of the Russian flavour that would usually go to a Moscow that turned into Russia, right?


What I'm curious about is the tags who can't (or would have a very hard time) taking advantage of a tag changing decision to get access to flavour.
Of course, we'll have to wait for more details, but even in example you mentioned - what if I form Russia as Novgorod, and play it as an Merchant Republic not Despotic Monarchy, totally ignoring Tatar Khanates and Lithuania, and concentrating on Finland/Scandinavia instead? Would I still get Russian flavor events, or do I have to play precisely historically to access them? Would I miss half of the content, because I chose not to play as I 'should' play?
 

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And I don't disagree with that, really. Europa Universalis is about Europe. I get that, it's the game's main theme. HOWEVER, would it be possible to include maybe 1 or 2 countries from each of the world's regions in the "lots of love" category? Maybe Egypt for Africa, China for east Asia, the Mughals for India, etc? If there's at least one or two countries worth playing in each region, I think I would be deeply pleased and impressed. Please consider this, sir! Thank you! :)
You have heard of DLC and mods haven't you?
 

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Lovely, I like what I read about the DHE.:)
 

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The game should, as we mentioned earlier, not increase its complexity levels dramatically.
B-but I wouldn't have objected to this :(
 

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Interesting. So DHEs... Will they be a special kind of event (province_event/country_event in EU3 for example)? Will they have their own set of triggers, effects, etc.?

B-but I wouldn't have objected to this :(
Me neither, but more complexity needs to be visible. It is good that they try and rework the existing mechanics to something better I think. We can always go more complex in an expansion. :)
 

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How many provinces does EU4 have? Will it have more than EU3 or around the same? Will future EU games (many years from now) offer way more provinces (more than CK2 and V2 but less than HoI3)?


Also, did the development ever discuss about using the family tree system in EU4? I know it won't be added but it would be a very nice feature to see since family and dynasties were very important in this time frame as well. Would it be possible to add a family tree in a future expansion or is the game coded in such a way that such additions can't be made?
 

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Are DHEs defined per country tag? If a different nation recreates the same exact prerequisite conditions for a similar war of the roses, will it never trigger because the country isn't England?
Since they are historic events shouldn't they tied to a country tag?

I'm sure that there will be normal generic events (-chains) too - for all countries.
 

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The chair and globe corner is probably one of your favourite spots at Paradox :)

Those 'dynamic historical events' are a great way of making things historically plausible and add flavour to the game. I'm waiting to see some more of that in one of the next dev diaries.
 

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Pomerania-Milan-Bavaria-Bohemia-Naples-others are still in Europe, though. Are we gonna see, at least, regional missions/events/DHE?
 

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Pomerania-Milan-Bavaria-Bohemia-Naples-others are still in Europe, though. Are we gonna see, at least, regional missions/events/DHE?
All Eu3 events are still in, and lots more coming. (of course, some random ones affecting mechanics not present anymore may have been cut.)
 

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Sounds very promising. I am dying to learn more. :)