Europa Universalis IV: Developer diary 42 - The Crusader Kings II Converter
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Maybe the whole stream answered this, but I couldn't tell. Is the CK2 converter integrated into the CK2 game or is it a stand-alone? There seem to be a lot of questions along the lines of "What if I have the Steam version of CK2 and pre-ordered from Gamersgate?" and "What if I have the GG version of CK2 and pre-ordered from Steam?" If it's standalone, that makes the questions sort of irrelevant. If it's not, then what IS the answer?
The demo is said to be planned for release next week.
It is a normal DLC. You hit Esc and then click on "Export Game to EU4" button on the bottom (the button will likely be greyed out if you don't have the DLC).
Did you get a sense whether this would work with GG/non-Steam versions or only Steam? Seems like it would be any-all same as CK2, but since EUIV is Steam only I wonder, a bit.
If other members of my dynasty control other nations, will I get a relationship bonus like we did in EU3?
I'd like to second this question. I've got Crusader Kings II on GamersGate and have preordered Europa Universalis IV on Steam; will I be provided with some means (a code, or similar) of moving the DLC purchased on Steam to my GG copy of CK2 or will there be some other means to do such transfers, or will this DLC only work in transferring CK2 Steam into EU4 Steam?
Have any of the developers mentioned how tech groups are decided? If my Byzantine Empire is based out of Rome itself, does it get western or eastern tech?
If all else fails, install your free copy of CK2 from pre-ordering on steam, load the save and export it from there.
People said earlier in the thread that saves from games with DLC work with games without DLC, just have to load a country that isn't restricted by DLC.
On another thread, Balor seemed to indicate that GG buys will get a GG converter while others will get a Steam converter. I'm in the exact opposite situation from yours. I bought CK2 on Steam, and pre-ordered EU4 on GG since I figured everything was Steam these days anyway.
EUIV from Gamersgate will activate on Steam. I'd be really confused if they gave out a GG converter with it exclusively.
I was about to ask if the investments made in the provinces would be carried over, but read that they wouldn't due to problems with sensibly exporting them to EU-IV. At least not per se.
However this got me thinking... maybe they're abstracted to the province base tax value, manpower and fort level! The CK2 buildings are either fort level, money makers, troop increasers or tech levelers...
Fortification level (either average or the highest in the county) makes the fort level go up, so you have a max fort level in CK2 as Level 2 fort in EU IV, and basically all the rest as Level 1 forts.
The tax value of the province, without modifiers (recently conquered, different culture, etc) would translate to some number of base tax value, while other conditions are transported separately (mainly culture, religion and non-core in EU, I think?) which in that engine affect the base tax of the new province.
Troop increasers would affect manpower similarly; the more troops there are in a province in CK2 - as a raw number, not just the ones you can raise but the maximum raisable - would determine the base manpower of the province.
Tech level... I imagine would be determined by the tech level of your capital, and as there are also three "trees" in CK2 and EU4, military, economic and social vs. military, administrative and diplomatic... then the total number of techs in each tree get abstracted to the general tech level in the nation? So an 867 conversion should have 1444 Europe at tech level 1 or 0 almost across the aboard, while a later on game might have them at 4/4/4, or even a maximum of 5 or 6.
Starting standing armies... I assume would be based on retinues? No idea on how the starting navies might be converted.
However this got me thinking... maybe they're abstracted to the province base tax value, manpower and fort level! The CK2 buildings are either fort level, money makers, troop increasers or tech levelers...
Fortification level (either average or the highest in the county) makes the fort level go up, so you have a max fort level in CK2 as Level 2 fort in EU IV, and basically all the rest as Level 1 forts.
The tax value of the province, without modifiers (recently conquered, different culture, etc) would translate to some number of base tax value, while other conditions are transported separately (mainly culture, religion and non-core in EU, I think?) which in that engine affect the base tax of the new province.
Troop increasers would affect manpower similarly; the more troops there are in a province in CK2 - as a raw number, not just the ones you can raise but the maximum raisable - would determine the base manpower of the province.
Tech level... I imagine would be determined by the tech level of your capital, and as there are also three "trees" in CK2 and EU4, military, economic and social vs. military, administrative and diplomatic... then the total number of techs in each tree get abstracted to the general tech level in the nation? So an 867 conversion should have 1444 Europe at tech level 1 or 0 almost across the aboard, while a later on game might have them at 4/4/4, or even a maximum of 5 or 6.
Starting standing armies... I assume would be based on retinues? No idea on how the starting navies might be converted.
Yeah, I saw Johan's response there shortly after posting this. Sigh.
I've submitted a ticket to Steam support to cancel my prepurchase there, as seem to allow for refund if you cancel a prepurchase before release. Considering that I now have every other Paradox game on Steam, this whole non-Steam version of CK2 business is a massive headache. I wish I'd just bought it on Steam to begin with.
Does the converter bring across culture names? So if I bring a Saxon England into EUIII will my diplomats and advisers have names like Aelthelrad and Wulfhere or whatever?
But the converter is a CK2 DLC so you'd need a GG version for the GG version of CK2.
I feel sorry for you. I told a friend to buy CKII on GG in a moment of madness on my part, not anticipating the problems he might have. It's understandable but a shame that a GG version can't be put onto Steam. I'm just glad they've taken the right decision to stop distributing through the unprofitable GG platform. I hope people can sort out their converters, otherwise a converter code swap thread might be in order.
I know, sorry. I just went looking for and found Johan's post.
Yep. Should have just stuck with Steam like I do for 95% of my games.. =\
Relax. Moving away from Steam is always a good thing in the end 
Think of it this way - it'll be the first Paradox game that you actually own, not just "borrow"!
Think of it this way - it'll be the first Paradox game that you actually own, not just "borrow"!