Europa Universalis IV: Developer diary 30 - Four more countries and  even more..

Europa Universalis IV: Developer diary 30 - Four more countries and even more..

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Nice stuff, Johan, but this is the first time I've heard "Timur" and "tolerance" together. Just not his usual style. :)
That's grossly unfair. Christian, Shiite, Sunni, or Hindu, Timur was equally willing to build mountains of skulls out of them all.
 

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Yes but the unique government there, the Ambrosian Republic, isn't there at any point unless that dynamic event triggers. It requires a regency/low legitimacy, as written.
Sure.. yet nothing prevents a similar event for Persia (start as theocratic, fulfill some condition to become theocratic monarchy). And nothing says that Persia could not start with it anyway.
Quite interesting NIs for the major islamic powers.
 

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Sure.. yet nothing prevents a similar event for Persia (start as theocratic, fulfill some condition to become theocratic monarchy). And nothing says that Persia could not start with it anyway.
This seems like a good solution, other than the Persia government type though this looks really good and will make lands outside of Europe far more interesting.
 

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Perisan Theocracy? Again? Now I gotta prevent Persia from ever forming in this game too...

Maybe the Devs improved the likelihood that Persia will switch to Despotic Monarchy?
 

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What if Persia was given a unique government? Milan has one and it's only tier 3, just like Persia. It could be a "theocratic monarchy" with heirs and legitimacy, like any other monarchy but with +2 tolerance of own religion and -2 tolerance of heretics, like a theocracy.
The requirement to have this government type should also be: 1) is shiite and 2) is persian.
 

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Any hope for the Kingdom of Ormuz (conquered by the portuguese before the rise of Oman)? Or the timurid civil war in 1447 after the death of Sharrukh, between the kigdoms of Fars , Khorasan and Transoxiana(it will be divided in four emirates by 1469...)?
 
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Please change Persia from a Theocracy. As it was, in EU3 it was nonsense because the heirs and rulers given to them didn't work properly. You'd start with a king, but your successor would be a typical theocracy leader.

The theocratic monarchy suggested above would be a wise move.
 

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What if Persia was given a unique government? Milan has one and it's only tier 3, just like Persia. It could be a "theocratic monarchy" with heirs and legitimacy, like any other monarchy but with +2 tolerance of own religion and -2 tolerance of heretics, like a theocracy.
I thought of that, but really it would basically just be 'empire'. The Safavids were basically a mix of everything, a little bit of feudalism and provincial governors, a bit of meritocratic bureaucracy, a bit of theocracy, a lot of religiously based education, a theoretically absolute monarch. That's basically France once you throw away the exoticism, the only difference is in the precise balance, which admittedly in effect can be quite a lot.
 

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I must say I don't like the fact that the Mughals simply have the same ideas of the Timurids. The Mughal Empire was quite different from the Timurids, and given its importance it should have a separate set of ideas.
 

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I have one concern, mainly for Oman and the Mamluks. It seems to me that Portugal, or anyone who wants to expand into the African route to India, will have to savage these 2 countries militarily to counter their trade steering bonuses. Looks like Portugal will want to help the Ottomans conquer Mamlukes to eliminate their trade bonus, and conquer Oman themselves.
 

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Persia is a Shiite Theocracy in the game.
Whyyyy

Safavid Iran got its legitimacy from its support of the Shi'ite ulema, but after Ismail the dynasty quickly lost its own personal religious authority (and in the second half of the 17th century, even became hostile to the Sufis). Getting drunk frequently was essentially a requirement to be a dynasty member.

Haven't read the thread so I don't know if this has been covered, but it's Qizilbash/Kizilbash, not Qizibash.
 
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So when will we get to hear about the most important country: Norway?
 

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I have one concern, mainly for Oman and the Mamluks. It seems to me that Portugal, or anyone who wants to expand into the African route to India, will have to savage these 2 countries militarily to counter their trade steering bonuses. Looks like Portugal will want to help the Ottomans conquer Mamlukes to eliminate their trade bonus, and conquer Oman themselves.
And conversely Venice et al. will want to support the Mamluks, in order to keep that trade route. Which is historical.

And don't forget that the Mamluks, at least, will have to split their naval resources between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, while Portugal will be able to focus lots of their resources at the juncture (and probably pick up a few minor colonies/outposts along the way). Oman may be more of a threat to Portuguese dominance, but once again that's historical.

It's an interesting example of trying to use the national ideas to subtly nudge things in the historical direction, without making it overly scripted.
 

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You mispelled Byzantium pretty bad :(
Well since we got french and russian dev diary, which are 2 most important nations, then we should at last get polish dev diary, since it is third most important nation... Byzantium can wait, it is like 399 in my list of important nation... propably after chimu.