Like in Turin (1706) and Assietta (1747), or more like Barletta 1503? Do you know, how Venice managed to survive the league of Cambrai, as a tiny republic?
Europa Universalis IV Developer diary 16 - Vive la France!
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Like in Turin (1706) and Assietta (1747), or more like Barletta 1503? Do you know, how Venice managed to survive the league of Cambrai, as a tiny republic?
Yeah, sounds like they're idealizing the Revolutionary period. Revolutionary France was NOT about "tolerance", it was about erasing France's Catholic and aristocratic heritage to the greatest extent possible through violence and exterminations. Hasn't Paradox heard of the Vendée genocide? Is it too much to expect historical accuracy and fairness?
"The people of the great French Revolution wished to achieve equality; but they erred when they thought this equality could be attained through violence. They should have realized that such a cause and effort could never be the case, since violence, in and of itself, is the sharpest manifestation of inequality... Louis was executed, and the Marats and Robespierres immediately seized power and committed crimes greater than the crown had ever been accused of. They destroyed not only people but also the truth that these people were proclaiming at this time..." - Ivan Bunin, Cursed Days
In fact, revolutionaries have historically never advocated tolerance in practice. The assault on religion, the rural peasantry, and the aristocracy during the French Revolution was only intensified on a much larger scale in Bunin's world of Bolshevik Russia.
"The people of the great French Revolution wished to achieve equality; but they erred when they thought this equality could be attained through violence. They should have realized that such a cause and effort could never be the case, since violence, in and of itself, is the sharpest manifestation of inequality... Louis was executed, and the Marats and Robespierres immediately seized power and committed crimes greater than the crown had ever been accused of. They destroyed not only people but also the truth that these people were proclaiming at this time..." - Ivan Bunin, Cursed Days
In fact, revolutionaries have historically never advocated tolerance in practice. The assault on religion, the rural peasantry, and the aristocracy during the French Revolution was only intensified on a much larger scale in Bunin's world of Bolshevik Russia.
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It's not about tolerance versus the catholic church or the aristocracy, but about tolerance with the heathens in France's colonial empire (compared to the other imperialist states). France made frenchmen of her savages. Very historical indeed.
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'Good looks' is subjective; i think they look too distracting and loud.
That style of border works in CK2 because that map is also covered in brightly-patterned heraldic shields. The borders need to be in-your-face to stand out against that. But EUIV's map is more subdued, so the CK2 borders look wrong.
The Assembly abolished slavery in French overseas colonies in 1794, five years after the start of the Revolution, ONLY because Sonthonax was on the verge of losing the Haitian Revolution. "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" had zilch to do with it, and in fact Robespierre would have preferred to let slavery continue if not for the risk of losing the colony altogether (Napoleon would later attempt to reinstitute slavery, resulting in the creation of an independent Haiti and the overthrow of the French once and for all).
Couldn't disagree more. Took a new look at the new screenie now (yes I know it's an early attempt), and the borders just look misplaced in context with both the map and the time period. Perhaps they'd work better for the East vs West game. It really looks like neon light is seperating the countries, or like there is used a marker to draw the lines. The rivers are also very in conflict with the borders. Compared to the other screenshots I must say the map "died" abit. It became poorer on atmosphere and vitality.
If they stick with the new style I really hope they can make it feel more in context with both the map and the age.
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I would only add that Victor Hugo's Les Mis does a great job at laying mythology bare. However the Jacobins weren't on the same scale as Bolshevik Russia. The Bolsheviks killed by the millions; something that I don't think was even possible in the time of Robespierre.
The French Revolution started as an assertion of the Burgoise to equality with the nobility (Liberte) and with the ending of certain things they felt caused both unfair advantage and kept the lower class from being a true part of France like the corvee (Egalite) and finally both liberal noblemen and burgoise attempting to create a form of French Nationalism (Fraternite). Of course the three words that were used to describe the revolution define an 18th century version of them and not a 21st century definition. The Revolution was at first done by moderates, and Louis XVIth agreed to their demands and became King of the French. It was the rise of the Jacobins on account of war that made the revolution take the turn it did. The same thing happened when the moderate Russian Revolutionaries overthrew the Tsar but got overthrown by the Bolsheviks with a massive difference in scale.
Well yes, I did say "on a much larger scale." Although it should be noted that the Jacobins were still far more "bourgeois" than the Bolsheviks.
they can make them less flashy and darker, but i rly prefer the solid lines to the ones i've seen in CK2, they r just not good enough for me at least in CK2.
Trading with natives sounds cool. This won't give Frenchies an unfair advantage will it?
But then the boundaries would most likely look too simular to eachother, and the whole point about making the terrain map more playable would stay in danger of being gone.......
Edit: I also like how the CK2-boundaries remind us of old striped border markers.
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As an addendum to my last post, I recall Lenin saying something to the effect that the Jacobins failed because they didn't kill enough people.
More seriously, I recall Johan recently telling us the amount of vassals had been reduced but I'm looking side by side at DW 1444/11 and the screenshot from today and uh... everything looks exactly the same? Maybe I'm not seeing something, it would be easier to tell if they used political map mode already () but uhm. Nope, everything is exactly alike.
Berry is no longer a vassal, it looks like.
I like the info the colored borders bring, even if they're aren't quite as aesthetically pleasing.
One thing that would help would be to copy Civilization V. The colored borders there have a bit of an 'inner glow' of the same color, so it fades into the terrain. It makes it looks a little less stark.
One thing that would help would be to copy Civilization V. The colored borders there have a bit of an 'inner glow' of the same color, so it fades into the terrain. It makes it looks a little less stark.
In addition to everything else they really thought they knew so much better then the people that they rolled back the rights everyone enjoyed during the monarchy, forced the cult of reason and even tried to rewrite the calender, sorry I misread the post
Alencon neither, and it seems Auvergne has lost a province if I recall correctly.
Would anyone use that option? 5 points per base tax is pretty steep, several months worth of Power income for a good province and an average monarch. Surely you'd just core the province, which is quite often a permanent solution, costs about the same for a decent province (if it's still 50 Power) and increases your income there on top? ^^
I think this relative worthlessness extends to a lot of the Monarch Power based options. I can't imagine I'd spend Monarch Power on anything other than tech, NIs and stability, and occasionally buildings, cores and military leaders. There seem to be a lot of uses for Monarch Power which we'll just have to learn to ignore as not being useful enough to justify cutting points out of the tech budget.
not that much, ust enough that it doesnt hurt eyes cos of being too flashy u know, but the striped ones in CK2 were confusing to me and not working, so i always played that in political view to make my country special colored and easy to recognize.
