Europa Universalis IV Developer diary 14 – Nobody expects the...

[Homero]

The Battle of Alcácer Quibir was not a conquest campaign to create a Portuguese Morocco

That´s not my opinion. Essentialy, a) it was the revival of the old crusader dream. b) Also the concern over the Ottoman Turks - Spain lost Tunis and La Golleta in 1574, and the corsairs attacks on Algarve coast had increased; the golden opportunity occured when al-Mutawakkil was deposed by his uncle. We should keep in mind that the Portuguese Cortes even suggested closing of the University of Coimbra, transferring its funding to the Moroccan war effort. Sebastião revealed a personal obession with the revival of the neo reconquest in North Africa,and two years before the disaster, Sebastião paid visits to Ceuta and Tangier (1574)
(Filipe of Spain did elicit un undertaking from Sebastão that if he mounted an expedition, he would direct it primarely against Larache, a Moroccan atlantic port, ideal base for corsair seeking to attack Spain)

 

[Chamboozer]

In EU4, however, you now have the option to spend Diplomatic Power to change the culture of any core province that does not have an accepted culture into one with your primary culture. The price of this action depends on the base tax of the province, and will, on average, be more expensive than making it into a core province. Changing cultures shouldn’t be something you do on a whim, but it again shows how EU3 will use Monarch Power Points to give you multiple decision paths to follow.

Wait, this means we can instantly culture convert an entire province simply by spending monarch points?

Now it would be a good system if all it did were reduce the MTTH.

 

[Alerias]

Cause you got limited merchants, and as castille, benefitting from letting portugal drive trade from africa and india to iberia is far better longterm than a few provinces in iberia.

Which it would do just as well as a longterm vassal, though. Still this worries me to an extent as well; it shows that the growth-punishing system of linear monarch power and agents is so punitive that nations cannot get the job done unless they rely on the AI. What is true for Portugal here is true for everyone else; people will end up releasing tiny same culture / same religion protectorates aimed at driving friendly trade and colonization that they cannot do themselves for lack of a reasonable growth in capacity as their size increases. And this is all WAD, to boot.

 

[lowdias]

Younés Nekrouf, La bataille des Trois Rois, Albin Michel, 1984 in french you can glorify yourself and your country all you want but accounts from fanatical christians are not to be considered with that much credit, well unless you identify yourself to them

 

[Chamboozer]

It makes sense for a Spain that owns Portugal to have less capability for trade than separate Portugal and Spain, since the Portuguese would have less autonomy under the former system. But it also doesn't make sense for a Spain that owns Portugal to have no capability to make use of Portuguese skill to increase their own nation's mercantile strength to a limited degree.

 

[No idea]

Sorry, but war is never that easy. "IRL" war was perhaps the most uncertain event ever and that's why there was usually no killing spree from big historical blobs. One does not know the costs nor the outcome beforehand. The classics knew it and it didn't change up to Von Clausewitz.

So no, Spain wouldn't have a super North African Empire. They could try, but wanting it and getting it are two different things.
In the New World they were "lucky" as hell, nothing guarantees they'd be in North Africa as well.

I hope they do fail in conquering North Africa most times even if they do focus substantially on it. And even if they do conquer a lot of it, it should be quite difficult to enforce rule and extract income from it.

I never said a super empire. In fact i said a small empire.

 

[Alerias]

Wait, this means we can instantly culture convert an entire province simply by spending monarch points?

Now it would be a good system if all it did were reduce the MTTH.

Dont fool yourself by thinking this is simple or easy on the player. Like everything else tied to monarch power, its a massive nerf to the ability of the player to do what he wants, while boosting tiny AI nation's capabilities to artificially create 'challenge'. Yes, it means that say, an AI Lorraine will be able to make Mainz 'french' quite easily, but it means a large player empire, which in EU3 would have gotten dozens and dozens of random culture conversions through a normal game, will likely be never able to afford one because it will be too low on the priority list as these points - that never scale along with your responsibilities - will be stretched way too thin already.

Expanding under monarch power is like giving the USA back to Britain to administrate but not giving it power to collect taxes to raise a single penny in the Americas for the revenue necessary to do so.

But that map is very pretty... o

Edit: Of course, I should concede that the wording of Johan's 'bonus' about this is a bit ambiguous. It mentions this will be an 'option', so with alot of luck, perhaps random conversion will still be in and this new system will merely replace 'enacting settlements', but given the general direction of the system, I have my doubts about this. This would of course mean that itll be extremely hard for nations that historically expanded their cultures alot (for instance Russia) to achieve historical results.

 

[No idea]

lol at the spanish bias, spain only had very small footholds that were conquered only because of the internal strife of n.african countries, it coudn't go further simply because they coudn't. Portugal tried in 1578 (Battle of Alcácer Quibir) at the peak of they glory with a large force and even with the aid of a moorish pretender meaning Morocco was facing a succession war and even with that the moorish managed to defeat the portugese ( the spanish ruler was wiser because of his recnet defeat against the turkish at Djerba 1560 and as soon as the portugese king died he invaded Portugal lol) . Please read a litle bit 'more' about history.

Oh, forgive this ignorant padawan and please, enlighten us with your superior knowledge.

 

[Calahir]

let’s keep the Catalonians separate for now

Hihi

 

[unmerged(368864)]

Damn, I had my hopes up this was going to be The New world Development Diary.... Guess I have to wait for an another week :unsure:

 

[Alerias]

Damn, I had my hopes up this was going to be The New word Development Diary.... Guess I have to wait for an another week :unsure:

Or twelve, we cant really know. In a way, though, a DD about Spain does cover about two thirds of the New World

 

[unmerged(368864)]

Or twelve, we cant really know. In a way, though, a DD about Spain does cover about two thirds of the New World

Well, they only talk about the *special* colonial features that Spain gets, not in depth about how it is going to work.

 

[Nilspart]

Finally another dd

 

[Gunnarr]

But then why have religion change by sending missionaries to a province with a certain succes chance and not simply spending 75 diplomacy points on instantly changing religion like culture?

this

 

[Deaghaidh]

Question/observation regarding the Spanish Armada national idea: shouldn't it actually be a malus? After all, the Spanish lost that campaign. Part of the reason being an overreliance on huge ships IIRC.

Perhaps a cost reduction on heavy ship building would be more appropriate?

 

[Te. Kenzo]

Anything about the Iberian union?

The union for Iberian Penisula exist yet, and is called Spain.

 

[Ales250]

The union for Iberian Penisula exist yet, and is called Spain.

No. Iberia is both, Portugal and Spain.

BTW, people from Aragón weren't Catalonians, you're doing it incredibly wrong Johan.

 

[Chamboozer]

Iberia is both in modern terminology, but we're talking about the 16th Century.

 

[Ales250]

Iberia is both in modern terminology, but we're talking about the 16th Century.

Iberia was Spain and Portugal in the 16th Century too. The term Iberia is used since b.C.

 

[Hardin4188]

Iberia is just short for the Iberian Peninsula so it's correct to use and is not modern terminology.