Euro-game for tuesdays

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Now I need to ask how a/historic do we want this game to be?
As Outran pointed out Nat. China is not allied. (But could easily become.)
Admitedly Allies could have taken Republican Spain into their alliance a long time ago, but decided not to, feeling this would be a little cheesy.
Axis powers, be they in alliance or not, at the current stage of this game have already highly benefited for the ahistoric way.

 

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Now I need to ask how a/historic do we want this game to be?
As Outran pointed out Nat. China is not allied. (But could easily become.)
Admitedly Allies could have taken Republican Spain into their alliance a long time ago, but decided not to, feeling this would be a little cheesy.
Axis powers, be they in alliance or not, at the current stage of this game have already highly benefited for the ahistoric way.

Ah... point taken. but thinking that it would be totally ahistorical that germany and italy gave Franco a well-needed push in the right direction whilst the allies on the other hand historically did little or nothing to help the republicans is a bit strong don't you think?. In fact they probably helped Franco more than the loyalists. I am not sure I agree with you but I can see that it is considered a bit gamey to aid spain a bit too much when trying to create a WW2-historical game.

I am not sure if we are doing that anyway, my thought was only that we would try and keep weird allying away (like france allied with germany and such).

What do the rest of you guys think?

 

[jisz]

* Lets also discuss when we are letting the US and SU to be playable. I suppose that the french and the polish player will want to play one of those once their empires have faded (i hope they will anyway, otherwise it will be me begging to play another power). I think from 39 on they should be playable with the french taking over the SU and the polish taking over the US. How do you guys feel about it?

well since poland will never fall I guess we can delay this desicion for a while until the impossible might happen.

Thinking about the a/historical discussion. In my opinion its important not to form curious alliances or curious wars (for example japan vs. germany) however since this was more a less an accident/translation failure I guess the game is going fine until now. axis helping franco is ok for me too.

in my opinion wh should try to play historical until ahistorical things will happen (not initiated by human players) which could let to an ahistorical move by the players themselves. at least the game wont be totally historical anyway cause poland and france will beat germany hehe

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* things were quite in poland. after the rise of nazi germany the relations to uk and france improved and the goverment managed to join the alliance after giving the uk some shares of the incredible poland porn industry.

* the research is going slowly cause poland is only able to pay two sciene teams. but through the ally help things could be worse.

* the poland people are hoping for peace but are watching their neighbours germany and su carefully. well knowing that peace time might come to an end soon.

 

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The problem with the Euro-Axis aiding Franco as I see it is that they gain an enourmously beneficial strategic position, poised as they are to strike against borth southern France and Gibraltar. This being the case, IMO we have already deviated from the historical view, and the only way to solve it, and prevent the Allies from having to ally with Republican Spain is for the Fascists to drop Nat. Spain from their alliance as soon as the war in Spain is over (a gentleman's promise perhaps). Refusal to do so would undoubtedly lead to WWII beginning in Spain, two years early. I'll leave that up to you fascists to decide.

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News from the Islands:

-Ireland is pushing the British government over the Northern Ireland issue. So far peace prevails, but the Irish are growing increasingly sour over the failure to resolve the issue.

-Commonwealth troops are spreading across the globe, guarding their possessions in the name of his Majesty. Iraqui troops are stationed in northern Africa, guarding the approaches to Egypt from the Italian troops in Libya.

-The civil war in Spain has the British government increasingly worried, as the strategic port of Gibraltar is threatened should the German prescence in Spain not cease. Overall, the King is getting quite upset with German expansionist tendencies, and during the recent Japo-Germanic war, a memo was reportedly being circulated regarding a possible declaration of war against Germany in support of the Japanese Emperor. As that war had an apparent peaceful solution, Manchuria it's only victim, the war-plans have been put on hiatus until further developments.

-Trading between the allied nations of UK, France and Poland is ever expanding. Money is being transferred to the debt-ridden Polish in order to strengthen their economy for a pending war. French dignitaries are being treated to lavish parties, strengthening the bond between the leaders of the two nations. Scientists from all three nations are working together, performing great deeds and Increasing the Allies' technological advantage over their fascist rivals.

-Fascism is being purged in the UK with the bill to outlaw fascist parties. After a brief public uproar about "freedom of speech" everyone agreed that it was for the good of the empire.

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Looking forward to next week

/Fredrik

 

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Refusal to do so would undoubtedly lead to WWII beginning in Spain, two years early.

Mr Chamberlain is well-known for his sterness.


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On a side-note I think that having Spain with the axis might make the game a bit more even now that France, Poland and UK are human players. That trio is a pretty powerful german-stomping machine.

 

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The problem with the Euro-Axis aiding Franco as I see it is that they gain an enourmously beneficial strategic position, poised as they are to strike against borth southern France and Gibraltar. This being the case, IMO we have already deviated from the historical view, and the only way to solve it, and prevent the Allies from having to ally with Republican Spain is for the Fascists to drop Nat. Spain from their alliance as soon as the war in Spain is over (a gentleman's promise perhaps). Refusal to do so would undoubtedly lead to WWII beginning in Spain, two years early. I'll leave that up to you fascists to decide.

I concur completely with my fellow allie. He has voiced very well my concerns which I did not voiced earlier because I felt like a fool. Even nicer is the fact that we did not talk about it in the game but came to the same conclusion.

Oh well, things are going to be even more challenging.

 

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*Hitler tests the microphone* Achtung....achtung... *the soundwaves bellows out from the loudspeakers*

We the german people have decided to help our spanish brothers against this communist and anarchist floodwave that is haunting them!!! We the german people have always stood by our spanish brother and we will never let them fall!!!

*applause from Himmler and Hitlers mother watching him speak in his radio-booth*

The french and the english may complain now but they will thank us for ridding the world of this socialist plague! It is a bulge that needs to be cut of the sick spanish body. We need to give Spain a chance to heal and prosper!!

*Hitler bows to his mother, Himmler and also to the mirror in front of him*


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Going back to one of my main points before....how about lowering belligernce a little bit since it skyrocketed early to solve an alliance-bug? Not all but at least to some normal levels. I got like 28 so removing half of that would not be unfair no? IMHO

 

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"From His Royal Majesty King George V
To Herr Adolf Hitler, Chancellour of Germany

Dear sir,
In light of recent developments in Spain, with Germany and Italy forming an alliance with the militant rebels against the sovereign and legitimate Spanish government, I fear the stability of Europe hangs in the balance. I must therefore urge you to immediately give orders to your military leaders to cease offensive operations in Spain and withdraw the German troops stationed there. I have, in a similar letter to mr Mussolini, asked him to do the same regarding the Italian troops. Failure to comply with this request, I fear, will lead to a war between our great nations. A war that is totally unnecessary and will lead to great tradegy for all involved.

The civil war in Spain is Spanish business, and need not involvement of other nations. The German and Italian involvement is destabilising the entire situation, and putting at risk Commonwealth as well as French interests in the region. The British government, in agreement with the French, cannot and will not allow such destabilisation. If it is allowed to continue, the British and French governments will have no choice but to get involved with military might.

I urge you, Herr Hitler, to concider the consequences of your actions in this matter. Your country is great and aspiring to become a principle state in Europe. Do not squander this prospect with rash actions. Remember the terrible bloodshed in the Great War, and do not lead Europe into another era of suffering.

Yours truly and sincerely,

King George V"


"From His Royal Majesty King George V
To Mr Benito Mussolini, Head of the Italian Government

Dear sir,
In light of recent developments in Spain, with Germany and Italy forming an alliance with the militant rebels against the sovereign and legitimate Spanish government, I fear the stability of Europe hangs in the balance. I must therefore urge you to immediately give orders to your military leaders to cease offensive operations in Spain and withdraw the Italian troops stationed there. I have, in a similar letter to Herr Hitler, asked him to do the same regarding the German troops. Failure to comply with this request, I fear, will lead to a war between our great nations. A war that is totally unnecessary and will lead to great tradegy for all involved.

The civil war in Spain is Spanish business, and need not involvement of other nations. The German and Italian involvement is destabilising the entire situation, and putting at risk Commonwealth as well as French interests in the region. The British government, in agreement with the French, cannot and will not allow such destabilisation. If it is allowed to continue, the British and French governments will have no choice but to get involved with military might.

I urge you, Mr Mussolini, to concider the consequences of your actions in this matter. Your country is great and aspiring to become a principle state in Europe. Do not squander this prospect with rash actions. Remember the terrible bloodshed in the Great War, and do not lead Europe into another era of suffering.

Yours truly and sincerely,

King George V"


"From His Royal Majesty King George V
To Monsieur Albert Lebrun

The recent developments in Spain, especially regarding the direct involvement of German and Italian troops, are severly destabilising European security. I have given my approval of military actions against Germany and Italy to my government if the Germans and Italians fail to comply with our requests for withdrawal of their troops in the area. I fear our countries must prepare for another war with Germany and, unfortunately, Italy.

I send you this letter, Monsieur, as a warning of pending hostilities on your borders with Germany, Italy and Spain, and as an affirmation of our support for your nation, both emotional, and most significantly, military. As I wright this, combat divisions are ready for boarding of transport for a journey across the channel, in order to help you defend your nation.

I hope with all my heart that the leaders of Germany and Italy will see the folly of their actions and immediately comply with our requests, but I fear that the darkness that has overtaken both nations have grown out of proportion, and that we face once again, a grim war.

Yours truly and sincerely,

King George V"


/Fredrik

 

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*Benito turns his head towards the count* (specially seated on a chair with
shorter legs, so we could look down on him).

- Who is this king person Count and in what strange language is he writing in?

*Ciano Sighs* Hes the king of England great leader, i will send some envoys to
to england to stall this issue.

/Frostfather

So be it Fredricus ( i was tricked by Germany )

 

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The wise and great Hirohito read copys of the leters sent by Chamberlain-san and listens to a recored radio speach by Hitler-san with a big smile. war in Europ? Then perhaps a war agains the rich colonies powers insteed agains the poor and military stong Nat.Chain is posibel? Hitler-san did declear war on us by mistake but dispite his confusion he, the Italyans and the rebel leader Fraco could be useful allies.
They might even be willingly to do some conterfavors for us if we declear war on the Allies and force them to leave some troops in Asia....

Hirohito sits back and enjoy the moment, the faith of the empire have never looked so good

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Was a good game last tuseday, looking forward to next season!

/Victor

 

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I, the dictator of the unique China, have played much attention on your messages, from the King of England to the Emperator of Japan.
China CANNOT BE INDIFERENT. China WILL NOT.

The situation in Spain is untorelable, Germany and Italy must retreat their forces from Spain as soon as possible. If England and France went to the war for that fact, China will be happy to help them against the fascism. If it weren't a concern for Germany and Italy, then it should be: China could deploy without problems more than 30 DIVISIONS in French lands!!! (if were required), all them will fight till the end as they did against the Comunist China. Moreover!!! China could help with thousands and thousands of resources to its allies.

We are a great Nation and more powerful that the emperator of Japan thinks. In his words I see clearly his plans for invading China, IT IS NOT TORELABLE!.

China will not wait until Japan decides to attack our lands.

OUR ARMY, OUR PEOPLE IS READY TO THE WAR.
I see millions of people taking arms and walking to the frontiers ready to fight. I see a great nation waking up as a big dragon that sleept during years.

JAPAN WILL TREMBLE AND THE WORLD WILL HOLD THE BREATH!

Japan dreams with colonies, the european resources in asia and big lands. In concrete, the rich lands of China. Japan is watching the world with the eyes of a fox, but how to say them that we have the mouth and the claws of a WOLF!!!

Japan feels quite because of his big navy, but who will defend his lands in the north of China! lands that we demand right now! they are far to be historically from Japan. Many Chineese people is living under the japanese yoke in such lands. And my people claims and claims to help their brothers from the japanese opression.

JAPAN WILL TREMBLE!!!

China is amenazed, and in this context, Me, the Dictator of China, feel free to make alliances and/or take the pertinent actions I may consider necessary for the supervivency of my country and my people. NO ONE WILL CONTAIN US.

The world as known is close to end. All the responsability lies on the future actions of Germany, Italy and Japan.

China has spoken, who has ears, listen!

 

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"This is BBC radio with today's news.

In the House of Lords today, Minister of Armaments Neville Chamberlain, an advocate of a peaceful solution to the inflammatory situation in Spain, spoke. Mr Chamberlain urged the Lords to support the governments strong-arm politics regarding Germany's aggresive foreign policy, and that 'only with a show of political force may we persuade Hitler to back down'. Mr Chamberlain went on to assure the Lords that a peaceful solution is at hand, and that another great war in Europe is highly unlikely.

Mr Winston Churchil, leader of the opposition and supporter of military intervention in Spain, responded to Mr Chamberlain's speech by saying that 'words will only resolve so much'. Mr Churchill reportedly attended an audience with his Majesty the King this afternoon, and sources tell BBC that King George and Mr Churchill are in agreement of what has to be done to resolve the situation.

As a preemptive measure, the Office of Civil Defence will, starting next week, be issuing gas masks to all citizens, and the public is to be notified that a 'hightened state of readiness' will be in effect.

Also starting next week, a general draft will occur, concerning all males between the ages of 18 and 20. The Home Office is currently working out a general schedule of the draft, and persons notified are expected to do their utmost for their King and country.

In other news, Fulham defeated Crystal Palace one - nil, Stockwell scoring the winning goal. This marks another win in Fulham's streak, and allows them to advance their position in the league.

This is BBC radio. Good night."

/Fredrik

 

[jisz]

polands goverment is highly concerned about the tapering situation in europe. and the imminent war. it sends following letter to the british goverment:

From Ignacy Moscicki (Head of State, Poland)
To His Royal Majesty King George V

Dear Friend and Ally,

the free people of poland are deeply concerned about the imminent war in europe. as a part of the alliance poland would become an obvious target of german military intentions. we are still hoping for a peaceful solution of the crisis.
i am sure u will do everything to prevent a war. shouldn't it - despite your effort - be possible to maintain peace we will do whatever we can to help you out but please bear in mind that the safty of our country has the highest priority and so we wont be able to send troops to a possible conflict in spain. furthermore we hope u send us some aid to strenghen our border with germany.

sincerely yours ignacy

 

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"From His Majesty King George V
To the Honourable Ignacy Moscicki of Poland

Dear sir,
The situation in Spain is rapidly reaching the point in which military intervention will be necessary. If war comes, trust that the British people will not forget their friends in Poland, and that every measure possible is being taken to insure the sovereignty of the Polish nation. The British government conciders Poland to be one of it's most important allies, and will act accordingly should that ally be threatened.

A war with Germany will not benefit anyone, but it might become necessary if the German chancellour fails to listen to reason. We, the free nations, will stand as a wall against oppression and tyrrany. We will fight and prevail together.

Yours truly and sincerely,
King George V"


/Fredrik

 

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To: His royal majesty George V
From: Adolf Hitler

I recieved your letter and I lament reading your concerns. I would like you to remember the in the last meeting of the CNI (commision of non-intervention) you and your french and russian counterparts promised to not intervene in the spanish conflict. It was only after seeing that none of you had held on to that promise that I decided to send aid to senhor Franco. It is you, not I, who is responsible for this regretable situation.

I, however, will offer my hand to you and your people as a sign of good faith. We, the german people, are willing to sign a non-agression pact with you so that you can still your concerns about your holdings in southern spain. I am sure that both mister Benito and mister Francisco will join me in this promise.

Let us not start a war that we both know would be very costly. Let us sign an agreement and have peace in our time (you may quote that if you like George).

Aufwiedersehn,

A. H

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There was actually something called the CNI (not sure the exact name since i only know it in spanish) and it kept the US, France and the UK from helping the republicans. Actually the US was the main supplier of oil and trucks with the UK being the main supplier of cash. There are also rumours that Gibraltar was used by the nationalists as a base of intelligence. The only two nations supporting the republicans were in fact the SU and Mexico. Other than that there of course the volounteers but that is something different than statesmanship.

 

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"From His Royal Majesty King George V
To Herr Adolf Hitler

Dear sir,
It is a regrettable fact that British actions might be partly to blame for the escalating threat to both our nations. It is however also a fact that were it not for direct German and Italian intervention in a domestic Spanish conflict - thus severly destabilising the entire region - such measures would never have had to be taken. This is why I ask you to bring your troops home, as a show of good will and as a measure of increasing the security of the European main.

The conflict in Spain will have to be solved by the Spanish people. If you withdraw German troops, and the Italians do the same, I will give you my promise that you will not see a single British division in Spain. However, should you fail to comply with my request, we will be forced to intervene on the side of the legitimate Spanish government, thus bringing about the possibility of Commonwealth and German troops facing each other in battle. This is a prospect I, with all my heart, do not want to see happen, so I urge you to withdraw.

Regarding a non-aggression pact between our two nations, I will leave it to my government to decide. Do note that your offer is being taken seriously, but that it can never come to pass if you do not comply with our requests.

Yours truly and sincerely,
King George V"


/Fredrik

 

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Heard on the german radio

...
- Yes Hans!
- Zank you Fritz!
* the german national anthemn comes on*
- Now, mein herrs, it is time to invite our latest guest... *fakes the sound of a fanfar* Willheeeelm Canaris!!
- Zank you Fritz, I am glad to be on the show
- We are glad to have you here! We have only one question for you herr Canaris... is there going to be a new war?
- Nein Fritz, I hope not. Ze english are making lots of statements and sending a lot letters but I zink it is just the sound of a nail in an empty barrel.
- I zee... any other comments on the situation herr Canaris?
- Well as far as I am concerned war could come since we are ready for it while Poland for instance is not.
- Good to hear that the wehrmacht is prepared come rain.
- Yes, preparation is the key. Now I will leave you Fritz!! Aufwiedersehn!
- Aufwiedersehn!
*sound of scraping of chairs as Canaris leaves the studio*

 

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To: His royal majesty George V
From: Reichskansler Adolf Hitler

Dear sir,

I cannot and will not leave the spanish nation to crumble to the socialist threat. You as well as I understand the importance of keeping the communists out of europe. If spain succumbs to this plague who will be next? Portugal? Sweden? It is a situation that none of us wants. I am sure you agree.

Regarding leaving Spain I will gladly inform you that we are planning to leave the iberian penninsula as soon as operations are done. I cannot speak for my italian brother but I am sure he is as understanding as I am concerning this issue.

You and the french government should also take your responsibility and take back your "volounteers" serving in the republican army. There are reports of both british and french aircraft flying under republican flag.

We, the brotherhood of steel, have only responded to anglo-french intervention in Spain. I repeat that you are responsible for making this conflict an all-european matter. I am glad that you admitted as much in your last letter.

Aufwiedersehn,

Adolf Hitler

 

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"From His Royal Majesty King George V
To Herr Adolf Hitler

Dear sir,
I will attempt to answer your questions and allegations, but first I must stress the urgency for this issue to come to a conclusion.

The socialist threat in Spain is deemed by my government as no higher than the fascist threat. This government will not tolerate fascist insurgence and terrorism any more than it will socialist. You can not make a civil conflict in Spain into a crusade against communism and socialism, because we both know that is not the real issue.

The German and Italian troops in Spain must leave immediately, and not wait for a resolution to the conflict. Failure to comply with this will have consequences.

British and French volunteers in Spain are there on their own initiative, and will not be commandered by the Royal Army. Allegations of British aeroplanes in Spain are utterly false, and must be based on erroneous observation on your troop's part.

Note that I in no part of my last letter claimed sole responsability for the Commonwealth for this unfortunate situation. You, Herr Hitler, must face your part in this issue, and do the right thing. I ask you again, as a veteran of the Great War, withdraw your troops.

Yours truly and sincerely,
King George V"


/Fredrik

 

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To: His Royal Majesty King George V
From: Reichchancellor Adolf Hitler

Alea jacta est.

Your failure to understand the german point of view in disturbing and we will let no english aristocrat dictate what Germany does or does not do.

We are helping a friend in need, fighting for a just cause while you are pumping money into a sick and depraved socialist movement. Did you know that women serve in their front-ranks? Did you know that they are allowing divorce? Did you know that they making all industry public? Did you know that people can no longer own land? I am shocked by your standpoint in this matter George and we will not leave Spain until the socialist threat has been contained.

I ask you again to accept my guarantee of Gibraltar as an english colony and sign this pact of friendship.

Aufwiedersehn,

Adolf Hitler