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While this thread seems to moved on, I feel like saying to this:

I don't seem to pay any taxes for online purchases here. I think I've seen it for a few things, but they may have had something to do with/be in another state or something and it went by that states' laws.
Ah. It was on another game forum where someone said they did, so that could actually be it. I think they have an office in Austin.
 

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You're quibbling but that's a point.
However, I don't think Gengis Khan entire army would stay all the battle against modern tanks and an escadron of fighter-bombers.
I don't either, for what it's worth.

My main point was that any modern nation that has a sizable military can overrun any other military. Quantity really is a quality.
 

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If they keep charging, and they have a million soldiers, you won't be able to kill enough of them by yourself (as a small country with almost no military) before they get to you.
Take any country that can field a 100.000 thousand men and keep them supplied with hand weapons, mortars and light artillery and they can conquer the Roman Empire.

That is why it`s ridiculous to not take the technological gaps between the eras into consideration.
 

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Oh...i`m making a lot of sense, far more than you.



You barely spend 4,5% of your GDP on military.

Look up the history of Rome, the Ottomans or the British Empire at it`s zenith.

Vietnam defeated you.


HALF of your state ?

As in half of the unit in my state, smart one.

Like, we have a brigade combat team, and a good chunk of that combat team was deployed to Ukraine.

The only reason my company wasn't is because we are State QRF (quick reaction force) for anything that might happen here.
 

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The goal was to stop the spread of communism and the whole deal ended up with US troops flying back home while the communists conquered South Vietnam.

Wars aren`t only won by military kill ratios.

Considering we are comparing militaries and not political will to win, then it's valid. We crushed their military in every engagement.
 

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As in half of the unit in my state, smart one.

Like, we have a brigade combat team, and a good chunk of that combat team was deployed to Ukraine.

The only reason my company wasn't is because we are State QRF (quick reaction force) for anything that might happen here.
They are there to train up with European armies, oh smart one.

You are training up your spherelings so that we can supplement you when you go and do something stupid and need someone to help you clean up.

So, can we go back to currency parity or you want to continue the chest beatings ?

Considering we are comparing militaries and not political will to win, then it's valid. We crushed their military in every engagement.
You lost the Vietnam War, end of story.
 

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We are there as a deterrent to the Russians who are also currently there fighting them. Yes, my unit is there training them, but we never do anything for one reason. The Russians cannot make any more pushes without hitting us, and hitting us means war. War with us is something they do not want. Damn dude, use your brain.
 

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They are there to train up with European armies, oh smart one.

You are training up your spherelings so that we can supplement you when you go and do something stupid and need someone to help you clean up.

So, can we go back to currency parity or you want to continue the chest beatings ?


You lost the Vietnam War, end of story.
We lost politically, but since this is about military might, you can't count it. Any BASIC research with that brain of yours will show you that our militaries crushed theirs.

If you want to compare political hearts and souls then you can bring up Vietnam, but if you want to compare armies, you can't.
 

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We are there as a deterrent to the Russians who are also currently there fighting them. Yes, my unit is there training them, but we never do anything for one reason. The Russians cannot make any more pushes without hitting us, and hitting us means war. War with us is something they do not want. Damn dude, use your brain.
The only ones doing the hitting is us, the Europeans, via the economy.

Russia can`t wage a full war because their economy would collapse, a weak state with an economy weaker than Italy`s....uuu we are so scared, dude.

Maybe you guys should both lay off. I think you both have some points but this is a forum about a space game. Kinda off topic.
You have finished that popcorn already ?

Yeah, I guess you are right, we might as well drop it because we are off topic as hell.
 

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Alright, to Stellarisize it:

You are the United Colonies of Man. You have thirty worlds and the largest fleet in the Galaxy (158k).

You have smaller allies with a combined fleet might of 80k.

The enemy empire has a fleet might of 100k.

They won't attack your allies because they have a defensive pact with you, therefore they are not threats. The allies don't see them as threats either (at least not the citizens).

The UCM decided to withdraw from its defensive pacts. Do you think that the Govam Empire (expansionist, by the way, as they are currently trying to annex a few other small planets) are no longer a threat?
 

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Meh I don't like to see ill will to our friends on the other side of the pond. I like most people I meet from Europe. I especially like ze German's beer and food. They bring it.
 

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Right because history is full of nations with poor economies not being able to wage total war (as in almost every national during WW2, North Korea during the Korean War, China during the Chinese civil war, the US during the wars of independence and 1812) etc.
 

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Oh...i`m making a lot of sense, far more than you.

If by making sense you mean making wildly inaccurate statements, sure.

You barely spend 4,5% of your GDP on military

Right but 4.5% of our gdp buys tanks whic

Look up the history of Rome, the Ottomans or the British Empire at it`s zenith.

I know the history of all the aforementioned, I even mentioned the British Empire lol. You actually think a roman soldier could beat an american one in combat, one armed with a fully automatic weapon and another with a shield? Tell me, how would Rome deal with our shore bombardment? How would they take out our drones?

Ottomans were barely competitive in WW1, they'd stand no chance against modern military capability.

The British Empire, again, wouldn't stand a chance against our modern military.

Also, they did the math, the British Empire, Mongol Empire, and Roman Empire, each at their greatest extent, if they existed today with each country's MODERN gdp, none would have a GDP the size of the USA's. That's not to say GDP is the end all be all, but it's important.


I guess since you're ignorant I'll educate you. Did you know that the EU (European Union, not Europe itself), has a smaller GDP than the USA? Did you know certain USA states would rank in the top 10 highest GDP countries in the world? (California as an example)

I'll further educate you: Rome was not a sole superpower like the USA was. Many people believe that the Han dynasty in China could have defeated Rome at it's greatest extent at the same time periods.

The Mongol Empire, while large, was not unified nor organized well by modern standards.

Vietnam defeated you.

Right I forgot, the USA definitely exorcised it's full power on Vietnam, sorry I forgot that part of history (which never happened).

Again, you're confusing absolute power with relative power. We are in absolute terms, undeniably, the strongest country to ever exist militarily. No other country could defeat us head on. In terms of relative strength, we're matched by some others in some ways, but unarguably we're superior to all of them relatively in terms of economic and cultural power, and still competitive in military power. You just don't understand how powerful the USA really is.[/quote]
 
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The problem with your argument is that you're comparing military forces with absolute values, that's pointless.
Even the army of a little country like Luxembourg could easily defeat Gengis Khan entire army, but that doesn't mean that Luxembourg is a bigger military power than Gengis Khan empire was.

That's not the problem with my argument, that's the point. I said we're the strongest country ever, I didn't say we are stronger than the Mongols in relative terms of how strong we are now versus how strong they were then compared to the rest of the world. I said we're stronger in an absolute sense. People are arguing with me that this is not true. It's not a "problem" in my argument to point out that others are wrong when challenging me on this incontrovertible fact. I'm not talking about what you're talking about.
 
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