Euro/Dollar Parity?
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Anyone knows what the price is going to be in Canadian dollars? Our exchange rate is crap.
Anyone? That's what a mutual defense treaty is. If you feel you're not under threat, and don't need to spend on your military (which is fine) leave the treaty. Don't freeload because you want others to pay for your own protection. If you won't pay up in peace time to help keep NATO safer, there's absolutely no reason the USA should ever have to protect any of you if a war happens.
Most other NATO countries are free loaders, that's the issue. You want the safety without the cost. If you don't care about the safety, or feel you're safe enough, leave. Do you think the USA needs you? Lol. Being in a defensive treaty with you guys is actively a negative for us because you're weak enough that someday you might actually be attacked, we are not.
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...or you can just reduce the agreement while no threat is presented?
Anyone ?
We don`t have a believable threat in Europe that can be used to justify arming up.
If you feel that you pay for anyone`s defence maybe it`s time for USA to leave NATO.
Oh, EU has it`s own defence clause and to be sure we will build up a federal armed force as time goes on.
Why should we reduce the agreement for you? What's there to gain for us? Are we a charity for Europe's personal use?
To expand, military assets (especially ships and trained soldiers) take time to produce. If you suddenly start spending higher when a threat emerges, your military won't be nearly as well prepared for it. If the EU suddenly spent as much as the USA on it's budget today, your army/navy (being that you have a smaller GDP than us even with the UK included) would be so far behind ours for decades, and even once you eventually built up you'd still be weaker. This is because there is a lag between spending and buildup, things take time.
Because you don't kick the person honoring the agreement out, you kick the dishonest freeloaders out? I should think that's obvious.
Also to be clear, the USA does not need your protection. We have the pacific ocean, and a fleet more powerful than many of the next most powerful fleets combined. If the USA is in a defense treaty, it's not for it's own sake, it's for those we're defending.
The "2% of GDP" decision was made in 2014. And as a goal to be fullfilled by 2024.
All Data I could find says germany spends 1.2% of it's GDP on Military.
It is highly active in NATO Peacekeeping Missions across the world.
Your definition of "not fullfilling it's obligations" is wierd.
This feeling of unasailability. Why do you think 9/11 hit you so hard morally?
All that ocean would not help you one bit if the entire world was arrayed agaisnt you. And you know that. You are protecting us for your own benefit.
...you're not giving them anything... You're keeping your military at a high standard, in this case that also benefits them but at no cost to you. (Other than the ridiculous amount America seems insistent on spending on it's military)
I can attest to that. For example you buy a drink for the fountain machine at a local game/entertainment shop I go to. It's listed as $2.00 but you pay $2.25 It must so nice in Europe to have the taxes already factored in on the price tags.
That would be amazing, but my guess would be a price around ~CA$24, which for a DLC feels a little too much for my taste.
But I guess it can't be helped that our exchange rate is crap.
If America didn't promise aid to Europe, do you think external military threats wouldn't arise?
well the CAD just dropped again, so it could be even 25$ now, if it goes that way. Kinda sucks, but I'm still getting it.
Why do you think it was put in as a target? Because you weren't spending enough lol. That's the point. You had to be told that you needed to spend more because you wanted to skate by spending so little.
It's a moral obligation that if you can, you do not freeload off of others (in my view at least). If I can pay rent but for no good reason refuse to, yet I still live with someone else who is letting me stay in their home, that's pretty immoral in my view. I guess the notion of carrying your weight is not something in Europe?
Protecting you is not required for the notion of avoiding the whole world being arrayed against us. Or are you saying Europe would suddenly become hostile if we stopped protecting you? Lol. We are "unassailable" in realistic terms. Our navy is too large to be beaten by enough realistic grouping of geo-political enemies. All of Europe even doesn't even come close to matching it. Russia and China doesn't come close.
Sure, bad things can still happen to us (especially domestically). A foreign army that we need a mutal defense treaty against to deter though? No, that's not realistic and you know it. We are militarily unchallenged in the modern world as you well know.
False, we are giving you something: a pledge to defense is a benefit and how beneficial it is directly correlates to:
A) How reliable it is
B) How effective it is
The most powerful nation in the history of our world pledging to protect you, as it turns out, has a nice potential for deterrence from hostility. Our defense is like a massive insurance policy. It guarantees you insane levels of security in the (extreme admittedly) case of war, where we will bear the majority of the burden of spending and manpower. In exchange, we ask that you pay a reasonable amount so that in such a case you ease our burden somewhat. If you don't want the policy, don't sign up rofl. How does this level of common sense escape people? Don't freeload, meet a reasonable burden so that if anything ever happens others aren't carrying your weight completely, and everything is fine.
Wow, glad there's so much to be protected from. And I'm also glad that there's someone here to protect me when I clearly can't react to a growing threat and build up a military if it was ever required.
Your fear is that Europe could be conquered, like back in WW2. At wich point the amount of resources the US could spend on Miltiary would go down.
Europe is also doing for America:
- working with your Secret Service. Going as far as putting legislation into place that allows your secret sevice to act on our Territory with impunity.
- buying and distributing your products
- taking up the bulk of refugees your armstrade based economy produces.
- cleaning up after your military campaigns, like Afghanistan.
So do not give us that "Europe is doing nothing for US" BS that Trump keeps spouting. The moment you look one second or ask somebody that actually works in foreing affairs, you would realise how wrong you are.
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