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We need more information. Are you in the HRE? I guess not, otherwise Austria wouldn't intervene if you attacked one on Savoy's allies. Is he a common ally to you both? If yes, then you could attack someone else first, call in Austria and let him be distracted, and a month later declare on Savoy and fight that war on your own. However if you aren't in the HRE you can't declare a war on Savoy if you are already fighting a war either with or against Austria.

If you are outside the HRE, your best bet is if Austria is either heavily in debt (not ideal, because then we won't defend you either if need be), or are rivalled to Savoy, but there's slim chances of that outside of the game start or if Savoy is a beast in its own right.

Also, what's the date? Savoy should leave after the Shadow Kingdom incident, unless he was allied to Austria at the time, and then you could use the distract Austria method to pounce on Savoy.

I'm outside, Savoy is allied to Austria. It is after the Shadow Kingdom, but I took their Italian provinces before it fired, so they're in the Empire. I'm large enough that I don't absolutely need Austria to defend me, but it would be nice to get a little bigger before I throw them by the wayside.
 

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I'm outside, Savoy is allied to Austria. It is after the Shadow Kingdom, but I took their Italian provinces before it fired, so they're in the Empire. I'm large enough that I don't absolutely need Austria to defend me, but it would be nice to get a little bigger before I throw them by the wayside.
It's gonna be pretty hard then to attack them directly, because Austria is unlikely to rival them due to the size difference. Do they have an ally who is rivaled to Austria? If you are still in the first age, you could use claims off of claims to fabricate on that ally Austria wouldn't defend and take land from Savoy indirectly, but that is a very heavy AE move (non-cobelligerent, inside the HRE land). Outside of that, you can hope that either Austria loses the Emperorship, gets so thrashed that he wouldn't defend anyone, or that Savoy makes an ally outside the HRE who you can attack.