Yup. You can exploit this to the extreme if you're smart about getting capitals of countries into the HRE.
(This was done in Ironman, I just moved it to a high resolution computer to take this screenshot. )
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(This was done in Ironman, I just moved it to a high resolution computer to take this screenshot. )
The important part is to include the province in the HRE before releasing. If the capital province is in the HRE, then the released country is in the HRE and so your vassal without taking a diplo slot.
I am not just sure if it works if you use the release vassal button. It certainly works if you click the button to return a province to a country, and this ensures that the province is in the HRE when you release it from the province panel. It will release the country without a vassal link with you... but as a HRE member, that will then become your vassal.
So it works only for European provinces. Then you can create a HRE vassal on the European side border of Asia and then give it provinces on the Asian side, it will remain in the HRE (but won't be able to integrate its non-European province to the HRE)
Yup. You can exploit this to the extreme if you're smart about getting capitals of countries into the HRE.
(This was done in Ironman, I just moved it to a high resolution computer to take this screenshot. )
Just curious: is Punjab a HRE prince ?
Yup. Their flag is at the end of the voting list before it gets cut off. Check the Free City list for more weirdness.
Just to be sure. I will start a game with Florence and plan to form Egypt (for the achievement) then Italy (for the other achievement that I don't have yet). The other way don't work as Italy is an end-game tag and so can't form Egypt, but Egypt is not listed as an end-game tag in the wiki so I should be able to form Italy with Egypt. Right ?
What's the craziest someone can go in terms of CCR? Wiki states that -80 percent is the max reduction but is that still possible to achieve without custom nation?
The highest I came up with was taking Mongolia with their -25% from national ideas, another -25 from admin ideas and then taking the mandate and activating their imperial edict for another -20 putting me on -70 CCR. This could also be done much quicker with oirat but with "only" -65 CCR with their weaker national idea of -20 CCR.
Are there other tags that can do that?
I was also Thinking about seperatism is -25 The highest one can get without being a custom nation and/or having the ruler trait for additional-5?
-5 from being a horde
-5 from national ideas
-5 from a gov reform
-10 from humanist ideas
The highest I came up with was taking Mongolia with their -25% from national ideas, another -25 from admin ideas and then taking the mandate and activating their imperial edict for another -20 putting me on -70 CCR. This could also be done much quicker with oirat but with "only" -65 CCR with their weaker national idea of -20 CCR.
Are there other tags that can do that?
I was also Thinking about seperatism is -25 The highest one can get without being a custom nation and/or having the ruler trait for additional-5?
-5 from being a horde
-5 from national ideas
-5 from a gov reform
-10 from humanist ideas
how do i make sure the general/admiral i define gets a random name from that culture rather than getting all the same name over and over ?
The Humanist-Offensive policy gives you another -5 Separatism.
As for CCR, I think you can get.
Admin ideas: -25%
Mughal Ideas: -25%
Diwan Assimilation of Hindustani: -10%
Empire of China: 10% from Reform, 10% from Edict
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HRE gives you another 10, coptic another 10, iqta/indian sultanate 5, various missions (like andalusian) can give you 20 (I think?) albeit temporary…
The thing is, CCR is capped, I think the effective cap is 93%. It's reachable, for instance coptic HRE EOC Mughals (10 + 10 + 20 + 25 + 10 + 25 from adm)
Mayan gives -20% CCR.
So a EoC Mayan Mughals gives (-25-25-20-10-10 = -90) on the regular.
Well if you consider EoC Mayan Mughals regular
Just "normal" Mughals with administrative ideas and Hindunasti assimilated have 60% CCR, but their missions give them tons of permanent claims adding 25% CCR, so if the CAP is at 80%, you reach it rather fast with them. By the way a CAP of 80% means 1 MP for each dev point of the province for coring it as a territory.
Also the CAP is for additive multiplier only. Any modifier more than 80% will be lost, but admin efficiency (and absolutism) are applied after these modifiers. So coring cost can be reduced by 94% (80% for additive modifiers, 70% from max admin efficiency)
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Thanks for your thoughts I have forgotten that Hindu also gives -10 CCR
So I think my plan would be to start as Mongolia, get the Mandate,take adm ideas and switch to Hindu. This should put me on -80 CCR (25+20+25+10)
Alternatively I could also stay a empire rank horde (-15CCR) and enact the "Centralize Power" government reform from hordes this also would put me on equal CCR just like the EoC but without the Hassal of actually managing the mandate.
(Would you agree on that or is taking the mandate "better" as staying a hord?)
The reason I want this is to get to the lowest core creation time of 6 months.
Based on the math -80 CCR should give me a cct of 36*(1-0.80)= 7.2 ≈ 7 months of coring. Combined with culture shifting I should have a formula like that 36*(1-0.8)*(1-50)= 3.6; putting me at the cap of 6 month.
If this is true and CCR over 80 does have a effect 85% CCR would be enough to always have a coring time of 6 month but is that achievable?
Becoming Mayan is possible but there is no way to rush it, it takes at least 150 years and that is too long. Becoming the HRE is also not a viable option for a horde in Asia.
I see no way to get another 5 CCR.
Am I missing something?
So I think my plan would be to start as Mongolia, get the Mandate,take adm ideas and switch to Hindu. This should put me on -80 CCR (25+20+25+10)
Alternatively I could also stay a empire rank horde (-15CCR) and enact the "Centralize Power" government reform from hordes this also would put me on equal CCR just like the EoC but without the Hassal of actually managing the mandate.
(Would you agree on that or is taking the mandate "better" as staying a hord?)
The reason I want this is to get to the lowest core creation time of 6 months.
Based on the math -80 CCR should give me a cct of 36*(1-0.80)= 7.2 ≈ 7 months of coring. Combined with culture shifting I should have a formula like that 36*(1-0.8)*(1-50)= 3.6; putting me at the cap of 6 month.
If this is true and CCR over 80 does have a effect 85% CCR would be enough to always have a coring time of 6 month but is that achievable?
Becoming Mayan is possible but there is no way to rush it, it takes at least 150 years and that is too long. Becoming the HRE is also not a viable option for a horde in Asia.
I see no way to get another 5 CCR.
Am I missing something?
Does this mean that 80ccr is the max reduction in coring time one can get? Not counting in claims and culture?Well if you consider EoC Mayan Mughals regular
Just "normal" Mughals with administrative ideas and Hindunasti assimilated have 60% CCR, but their missions give them tons of permanent claims adding 25% CCR, so if the CAP is at 80%, you reach it rather fast with them. By the way a CAP of 80% means 1 MP for each dev point of the province for coring it as a territory.
Also the CAP is for additive multiplier only. Any modifier more than 80% will be lost, but admin efficiency (and absolutism) are applied after these modifiers. So coring cost can be reduced by 94% (80% for additive modifiers, 70% from max admin efficiency)
Not questioning your 80%, I'm just surprised you'd say 70% is a cap of adm eff. It is uncapped (or, capped at 100 idk) and it's possible to reach 100.
I wonder if my 93% is the same as your 94% though. In which case it should be rubbished. But idk more on ccr cap (should be easy to test with a console game, I'm sure not that interested).
My 70% for adm efficiency is 30% per tech and 40% for absolutism. I discount the Age of Absolutism bonus (+5%) because you can't have it combined with last tech giving +10%. But I forgot that a Mughal event can give permanent +10%, so for Mughals, you can combine 80% CRR with 80% admin efficiency for a combined reduction of 96%. That means paying 5 MP to core a 24 dev province, not too bad.
Taking the Mandate grants -10% CCR... on the 4th reform, so you will have four times to go to 80 mandate at least and then lose 70 and recover. I don't think it is worth it.
ok. The question wasn't if it was worth it as far as I understood though. If one wants to test the ccr% cap, he can do so in console mode, besides!
THere are many sources of adm eff, most are impossible to stack, but the age ability is stackable with other things. Bottom line is, it's extremely difficult, but possible, to reach 100%.