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The Emperor is always the league leader for Catholics.

For Protestants there is no way of telling it.

We don't even know which modifiers count aside from "Electors are being favored".

I recently made a thread about it.

Long story short: Nobody has a clue and you should join immediately when leagues form so you're the first and DoW instantly so you don't lose it.


Damn, I hate Russia! I delayed joining the Protestant League to preserve my alliance with him. I had 100 Trust with him and avoided expanding onto his permanent claims in Crimea in the hopes of maintaining our grand Orthodox alliance. But he just randomly desires my lands and breaks the alliance anyway... damnit Putin! (I know I know, I was warned. Won't make this mistake again. :oops:)

Since the alliance with Russia is gone, I joined the Protestant League about 30 years after the leagues formed, and of course I am not the leader, which seems to be randomly flipping between Brandenburg and Bohemia, and neither are brave enough to declare war even though I built up to my force limit to over 130k troops. *sigh*

If I start smashing some of the Catholic members, will that potentially embolden Bohemia/Brandenburg to declare the League War? I assume that I would still get a CtA even if I was in a separate war?
 

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It jumps between them because on is the #1 choice, the other #2 and you can't be league leader while at war.

As soon as the war ends, the original leader gains his title again.

Yes, smashing catholic members will embolden BOH/BB to declare.

If the leader is a diplomat, chances of a DoW are rather slim though.

to preserve my alliance with him.
Allies are just accumulations of provinces you _currently_ have no interest in.
 

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It just occurred to me that I've never seen the Papal States join in the Catholic League in any of my games (he might have joined in my Ming game, but I was Ming so I wasn't paying attention to Europe)... I was starting to wonder if he was mechanically blocked from participation, but a quick search showed that the Pope can join the Holy Leagues. (he can even join the Protestant League! :eek:) So given that presumably the Pope does care about the religion of the HRE, why does the Papal State seem to mostly stay out of it?
 

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It just occurred to me that I've never seen the Papal States join in the Catholic League in any of my games (he might have joined in my Ming game, but I was Ming so I wasn't paying attention to Europe)... I was starting to wonder if he was mechanically blocked from participation, but a quick search showed that the Pope can join the Holy Leagues. (he can even join the Protestant League! :eek:) So given that presumably the Pope does care about the religion of the HRE, why does the Papal State seem to mostly stay out of it?

They aren't part of the empire and they generally aren't allied to or rivals of the leading nations in the empire-the leading reasons the ai joins one side or the other.
 

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If I support independence of a colonial nation, during the independence war, can I obtain (seize and demand provinces in the peace) of the colonial nation's overlord?

In other words: I am Morocco, I support independence of Portugeuse Peru, independence war kicks off. As a result of this war can I take Portuguese (European) land? Or are the war goals solely concentrated about securing independence for the colonial nation?

Or am I better off not supporting indepedence, waiting for the independence war to kick off, then declaring on Portugal for their land?

Please advise if my question is unclear.
Thanks all
 

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if the hre emperor flips religion, does this trigger re-election before league war?

I'm wondering if it is possible that a HRE outsider Emperor like France/spain can flip religion and become league leader of the protestants. But that would need a re-election..

Hence why I ask.
 

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For Protestants there is no way of telling it.
That may be strictly true, in that we don't know all of the modifiers, but I seem to recall a dev mentioning that autonomy-modified development was a rather large modifier.
if the hre emperor flips religion, does this trigger re-election before league war?
Yes; if you have not passed hereditary rule, then it triggers a new election, since you are no longer eligible (similar to if you switch to a Republic).
I know someone here in the forums recently mentioned doing exactly that in their game-being Emperor, flipping, becoming Protestant leader, winning the war, and becoming Emperor again-but I honestly don't know who it was or in what thread.
 

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Florence is still in the empire, but I can't rein in Italy. Is that intended or a bug? If not, is there a way to make Florence add his provinces to the HRE? Or do I simply need to wait for Florence to core the stuff I just gave him?
 

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if the hre emperor flips religion, does this trigger re-election before league war?

I'm wondering if it is possible that a HRE outsider Emperor like France/spain can flip religion and become league leader of the protestants. But that would need a re-election..

Hence why I ask.

I can confirm it does that right away. I tried it once with Prussia. You need to become protestant to form it and I wanted to see if I could keep the emperorship. No such luck I'm afraid, so after forming Prussia, I just switched back to Catholic.
 

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Florence is still in the empire, but I can't rein in Italy. Is that intended or a bug? If not, is there a way to make Florence add his provinces to the HRE? Or do I simply need to wait for Florence to core the stuff I just gave him?

Florence would have to be a vassal for it to count. They won't add provinces to the HRE. Giving him land is insufficient. You need to either take it yourself, or take it for a vassal. Those are your only options. Long story short: You're in trouble now.
 

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That may be strictly true, in that we don't know all of the modifiers, but I seem to recall a dev mentioning that autonomy-modified development was a rather large modifier.
I mentioned a thread in my comment and your answer fits it oh so well.

No, development might play a role, that I am convinced off, but being an elector is the bigger factor.
I had 4x the dev of the current league leader as Sweden. Centralisation + Economic Ideas. My local autonomy was either 0 or 25 when owned by an estate.

Either way "x plays some kind of a role" is almost the same as not knowing modifiers at all.
 
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I mentioned a thread in my comment and your answer fits it oh so well.

No, development might play a role, that I am convinced off, but being an elector is the bigger factor.
I had 4x the dev of the current league leader as Sweden. Zentralisation + Economic Ideas. My local autonomy was either 0 or 25 because it was owned by an estate-

Either way "x plays some kind of a role" is almost the same as not knowing modifiers at all.

Yeah my Byzantium is way bigger than Bohemia too. If development plays a role, it's not a big role.
 

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Why doesn't France eat Brittany anymore? I played one game recently where France was pretty strong, Brittany had no allies, and still they just let them live.

Started a new game, and France guaranteed their independence within the first year, even thought they are allied to Burgundy who is a French rival. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Generally I feel like France plays way too passively. I miss the old blob. Can't remember the last time I saw a strong AI-controlled France.
 

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Before I join a Religious League, is there any way I can know whether I will be the leader of the League? I play on Ironman, so I can't just try it to find out.

Also can I just confirm that the Leagues always disband after exactly 50 years if the war doesn't erupt?

The Emperor is always the league leader for Catholics.

For Protestants there is no way of telling it.

We don't even know which modifiers count aside from "Electors are being favored".

I recently made a thread about it.

Long story short: Nobody has a clue and you should join immediately when leagues form so you're the first and DoW instantly so you don't lose it.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ror-on-a-league-war-win.988080/#post-22196489
 

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Why doesn't France eat Brittany anymore? I played one game recently where France was pretty strong, Brittany had no allies, and still they just let them live.

Started a new game, and France guaranteed their independence within the first year, even thought they are allied to Burgundy who is a French rival. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Generally I feel like France plays way too passively. I miss the old blob. Can't remember the last time I saw a strong AI-controlled France.


France did eat Brittany in my current Byzantium game. In fact it is the 3rd Great Power after me and Spain.

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When the AI guarantees somebody, it's not necessarily a friendly move to protect them, but rather a "go away, he is mine!" warning to other potential conquerors, in this case, England.
 

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France did eat Brittany in my current Byzantium game. In fact it is the 3rd Great Power after me and Spain.


When the AI guarantees somebody, it's not necessarily a friendly move to protect them, but rather a "go away, he is mine!" warning to other potential conquerors, in this case, England.

I guess your explanation regarding the guaranteeing makes sense. I just feel like I've seen some strange guarantees lately when the AI should kill their neighbour instad. In another game (sorry about the lack of screenshots) Russia stomped Lithuania in a series of wars, took a lot of provinces, and then guaranteed their independence out of the blue.

I'm happy to see France return to form in your Byzantium game. Hopefully they will roll right over Spain and Burgundy too ;)
 

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I guess your explanation regarding the guaranteeing makes sense. I just feel like I've seen some strange guarantees lately when the AI should kill their neighbour instad. In another game (sorry about the lack of screenshots) Russia stomped Lithuania in a series of wars, took a lot of provinces, and then guaranteed their independence out of the blue.

I'm happy to see France return to form in your Byzantium game. Hopefully they will roll right over Spain and Burgundy too ;)

One thing to keep in mind is that the ai is generally very unwilling to risk getting a coalition against them. Eating Brittany generates a lot of ae, as does eating Provence, Lorraine, etc. so the ai could well just be waiting for ae to burn off.
 

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