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I'm at war wit OE, Novgorod is fully maintained fort. Why can they simply walk through it without having to siege it?

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You say that the fort in Novgorod is active. It needs to be active before the AI army was given a movement order otherwise they will ignore it when they get there. This applies to human players too.

It also needs to be manned. If you activated it at the beginning of the month (in game) then there will be no garrison yet and so it will not exert a zone of control. This has the same effect as if it was not active when the movement order was given.

Assuming neither of those explanations apply here then what you are seeing is probably because of something people here refer to as the shortcut rule. It is believed that, to avoid crazy pathing, armies can move directly to any province that they could reach by a roundabout route as long as they could reach every province on the short route also via a roundabout route.

In your case, assuming the Ottomans have access to Novgorod, they could go via Pskov and Ingermanland to get to Noteborg and so the game allows them to go the short route. This rule is not an AI cheat. It applies equally to human players but it is not always obvious from the interface.

If the fort in Pskov were active then the roundabout route would not be available and, subject to whatever might be going on to the East, they would probably have been fort locked.
 
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I'm at war wit OE, Novgorod is fully maintained fort. Why can they simply walk through it without having to siege it?

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plain simple, because they got access through novgorod/russia.

border forts are useless in a war, if your enemy can ask mil access from neutral nation next to it.

it is why I build my forts two province land inwards, to avoid ANY weirdness with zone of control.

it's hard to explain, but the above pretty much sums it up.

your fort in viborg can be bypassed in the same way, by the way. Pskov also. the only relative safe province to build fort in on this screenshot, is ladoga. But provinces that border a border province.. there are still some exceptions where zone of control can cause weirdness, with bypass as result.

the entire system is as opaque as the PU mechanic (the devs likely don't understand their own system fully, just like with the pu mechanic ;)).
 
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If I want to annex a vassal before they started coring all their lands, will they start making it a core later? I'm almost diplo-capped and want to annex Champa, but they still got territory which they haven't started coring.
 

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If I want to annex a vassal before they started coring all their lands, will they start making it a core later? I'm almost diplo-capped and want to annex Champa, but they still got territory which they haven't started coring.
If you finish integration before they finish coring you do not get the cores. However if they integration time is over 3 years then you should be fine as they will have time to core. If it is under 3 years I suggest you spend dip on increasing mercantilism.
 
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If you finish integration before they finish coring you do not get the cores. However if they integration time is over 3 years then you should be fine as they will have time to core. If it is under 3 years I suggest you spend dip on increasing mercantilism.
Thanks! Yeah I knew I wouldn't get the core if I annexed them before that, just wasn't sure if they would start coring it all. Pretty important Ironman game so I'd like to be sure on this.

It's going to take 1,5K diplo points at lightening speed (3dip/month, sigh) so no problems here.
 

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Have you, by any chance, held back your CK2 installation at an old version because of a disliked change to CK2's game mechanics?

Thanks for replyng!

I figured out what was going on. I had (two years ago) tried to do the same thing. I started as the earl of Clydesdale, and formed the Empire of Alba (Britannia). Following my mild ocd, I stopped my game on 11/11/1444. Hence, my new export had the exact same name. However, I'd forgotten that CK2 doesn't export to the EU4 mod folder... So I was trying to load a two year old export!

FWIW, I don't have any CK2 DLC after 'Charlemagne', and the converter still works!
 

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Thanks! Yeah I knew I wouldn't get the core if I annexed them before that, just wasn't sure if they would start coring it all. Pretty important Ironman game so I'd like to be sure on this.

It's going to take 1,5K diplo points at lightening speed (3dip/month, sigh) so no problems here.
You should think about investing in policies if you want to speed things up a bit, or at least an advisor.
Be careful, this will cause overextension if they still have things to core when you finish the integration, this has led me to go over 100% OE several times because I was already at 80% OE when finishing an integration and I got uncored provinces from my vassal.
 

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Another couple of questions regarding my Ottoman WC tries. Followed the advice on the previous ones and it helped, so I hope it will in this case as well.

Things are going well. Its 1670 and I'm nearly done with India. Europe is a more though nut to crack, esp. the Spanish-Portugues-French Alliance that has been plaguing me all game. So I just got a foothold on Iberia (Gibraltar). But Italy, Lithuania and Austria are almost conquered. I left Africa for last, or at least everything south of Ethiopia and Morocco. Figured it would be easier with diplo 23 as the whole horn is Coptic (as am I) and there is no land bridge to Mali.

However when fighting Portugal a bit of South America/ Caribean became visible. I also took some Caribean provinces to fill out warscore without AE. I think I'm glad I did, however there is no free sea lane between Europe and America as I didn't take exploration. Am at 5 ideas (Rel, Inf, Dip, Quantity and Adm.). When scouting the region I noticed a lot of the North American colonies broke free. There is Haiti, US and Mexico which is a vassal (!) of one of the locals. This ofc also means (some of) the locals have caught up in tech. It also seems Spain and Portugal are fighting tougher wars than usual in the colonies, which is good in Europe, but could bite me later.

So after the context, what now? When, if at all, will the whole map be visible? Noticed some unpredictable behavior with that, as now I have Caribean, Mexico, Brazil and Colombia region visible, while in an earlier try I didn't get to see it at all even well in to the 1700's. If I take exploration, the first idea, will I be able to buy conquistadors and explorers and wipe the idea immediately while keeping the leaders? Or will the vanish? Am I too early or does this happen from time to time as it is the first time I see this to this extent? Are there better solutions or things I might have missed? Really don't want to fudge up this try as everything else seems to be going well and I do think I need offensive next as the French rip through my armies like paper (with nearly equal morale).
 

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Many techgroups won't see the map entirely, and won't see most of it until very late.
For a WC, this is a good advice to take exploration and to only fill the first 2 ideas somewhere in your last groups.

This is extremely annoying, now that you can't westernize any non European nation has a very hard time conquering the Americas, but this hasn't been worked around by the devs yet.
 

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Things are going well. Its 1670 and I'm nearly done with India. Europe is a more though nut to crack, esp. the Spanish-Portugues-French Alliance that has been plaguing me all game. So I just got a foothold on Iberia (Gibraltar). But Italy, Lithuania and Austria are almost conquered. I left Africa for last, or at least everything south of Ethiopia and Morocco. Figured it would be easier with diplo 23 as the whole horn is Coptic (as am I) and there is no land bridge to Mali.
yeah, good idea.

However when fighting Portugal a bit of South America/ Caribean became visible. I also took some Caribean provinces to fill out warscore without AE. I think I'm glad I did, however there is no free sea lane between Europe and America as I didn't take exploration. Am at 5 ideas (Rel, Inf, Dip, Quantity and Adm.). When scouting the region I noticed a lot of the North American colonies broke free. There is Haiti, US and Mexico which is a vassal (!) of one of the locals. This ofc also means (some of) the locals have caught up in tech. It also seems Spain and Portugal are fighting tougher wars than usual in the colonies, which is good in Europe, but could bite me later.

So after the context, what now?
in cases like this, you take exploration lategame, fill out first two ideas, and then ditch it again.

If I take exploration, the first idea, will I be able to buy conquistadors and explorers and wipe the idea immediately while keeping the leaders? Or will the vanish?
no, they won't vanish.

Are there better solutions or things I might have missed?
you could steal maps, or share maps with friendly independant CN. Dunno how effective that would be though.

If you get a port in each colonial region, you can invade them and do a 'cede colonial region peacedeal'. It allows to annex entire colonial region, no matter the warscore. You can get entire Brazil or Mexico in one go, even before imperialism and whatnot.

I refer to last chapters of my yeren--->qing aar, i did it there.
 

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Not being eligible gives you -1000
So unless you can overcome the 1k malus (you can not), you will not get elected.
 
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Hey there, I'm, in a run to have the Mare nostrum achievement, but can I still form the Roman Empire if I'm the Holy Roman Empire? (I passed 7 reforms and the decision is already not there anymore). And the other scenario: can I form the Holy roman empire if I'm the Roman Empire? thanks!
 

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Mossi and Spain have 32 military tech.But Spain Infantry have 2 flanking range but Mossi Infantry have 3 flanking range. How could it possible?
I know Mossi have "Cavalry Raids" which gives +50% cavalry flanking range but not for Infantry

Edit: I know "A unit that has 75% or more of its troop strength will fight at 100% flanking range" rule. My question is different
 

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The HRE is a final tag. You can not form any nation after forming the HRE.
 
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The flanking range of the infantry looks like a bug. Post it to bug report section, this is probably a mistake in the code of the Mossi ideas.
 

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Hey there, I'm, in a run to have the Mare nostrum achievement, but can I still form the Roman Empire if I'm the Holy Roman Empire? (I passed 7 reforms and the decision is already not there anymore). And the other scenario: can I form the Holy roman empire if I'm the Roman Empire? thanks!
HLR is prevented from forming Rome. Rome is not prevented from forming HLR.
The HRE is a final tag. You can not form any nation after forming the HRE.
That is the intent, but not 100% accurate; a handful of distant formations (Tibet is one) have slipped through the cracks for the current patch.
However, what you say is functionally true; in almost all cases, HLR will be your final tag.
 
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