EUIV is ruined

[D-A-C]

After having to abandon the game so many times in previous versions I think the new rebel system and autonomy are a great change.

However I have only played Majors so far, nations capable of fielding large armies anyway, aren't some people complaining of rebels significantly larger than their nations force limits?

Now, I honestly don't think there should be a direct correlation between FL and rebel stack size as population should be larger than FL, however it shouldn't be too ridiculous either.

So your little 3 province state with 8 FL facing two stacks of 15 might be slightly too much lol.

The things I am curious about atm is the flavour of the stacks that you fight, for example if you take over a country say, the Aztecs, do their people rise up at the exact same tech level as you with cannons etc?

I'd rather going forward, the game adds flavour to Noble rebels supporting another potential king, peasants, natives, religious zealots etc. Once that happens on a noticeable scale I think rebels will be golden.

A few event chains for certain rebels would be fun aswell, and would make some rebellions more interesting and dynamic.

Overall though, at least for majors, the new system is alot better, especially with the -20% modifier for recently crushed rebellions, it stops the same province generating stacks, over and over again.

 

[Illianor123]

Autonomy is great. Far better rebel management. Just think of the uncolonised provinces as being 50% of their apparent base tax. Or that you know the city is of 1000 people and freshly build, not like the other cities that have existed hundreds of years. (I think colonies should start higher and then go down to a 50% for overseas, and 20% for same continent. Distant over seas used to be 75%).

Autonomy is easy to manage and makes more sense than the old 2 year perfect integration (core then harsh treatment). I generally just build up some -revolt through religious conversion and ideas and then drop the autonomy after 10yrs.

OPMs re now much easier to play and don't just die to a random rebel spawn in the first few months.

 

[Pellucid]

Funny. I think this is the best iteration of EU4 ever, by a wide margin.

 

[Mabs]

havent played enough to make a decision on the patch, but what im seeing on the forums is "waa waa my gamey auto-win system ive got down pat doesnt work any more, now i have to think not just go through the motions beating up a somewhat predictable AI, its not fair "

/shrug

 

[Nereid]

The autonomy mechanics made it stupendously easy to avoid rebels altogether.

Yes. The author of this thread is completely wrong. Rebels are no issue at all. I would prefer a more random approach. Perhaps a growing risk of upcomming rebels if they reach 100% and it should more costly to reduce the unrest repeatedly with harsh treatment.

Most problems with rebels occur from neighbouring countries. I have foreign rebels often on my borders. They are not a real threat but they take one or two provinces sometimes.

 

[zyphial]

After having to abandon the game so many times in previous versions I think the new rebel system and autonomy are a great change.

Yes! Random rebels have always been a pet peeve with PDS games. I was happy that they were at least curtailed in V2, but I still had to be bludgeoned with them in EU4 and CK2. This new system is fun and engaging - I feel like I am actively competing within a fair set of rules, not a random "hahahah SUCKS TO BE YOU RNG HAET YU."

However I have only played Majors so far, nations capable of fielding large armies anyway, aren't some people complaining of rebels significantly larger than their nations force limits?

Does byz count as a major? If so, then I have limited AoW experience with it. I know this was a serious problem in earlier versions with 100% force limit death stacks spawning randomly on isolated islands, but I have not encountered any disgusting death stacks. There might be 4 stacks each able to rival your army, but they don't cooperate or use tactics so you can just duke it out one by one and chew through.

So your little 3 province state with 8 FL facing two stacks of 15 might be slightly too much lol.

2 exceptions - 1 if it's a Game Over stack and not a Prize in Disguise. Case in point, I systematically wiped out a nation's manpower pool so I could have my way with them after a truce breaking, but before I could prep for another invasion a pretender gathered up the local peasants and united the country under his banner - for twice my force limit. Losing to a pretender, or religious rebels, doesn't have to be Game Over Pal and it can even help you.

The other exception is if it's in 2 stacks, as above.

Overall though, at least for majors, the new system is alot better, especially with the -20% modifier for recently crushed rebellions, it stops the same province generating stacks, over and over again.

Yes, yes and yes. Vastly improved. No random rebels spawning underneath my army with 2x my force limit all at once. I know where and when they are going to spawn and can either do something to stop it or prepare for the worst. It's not bloody effing RANDOM anymore. Thank god.

 

[DukeDayve]

When I see people complaining about autonomy their complaints make a lot of sense in my mind. But then I play the game and use the autonomy system for myself and I feel it is better than the system we had before... and I no longer understand the complaints.

Like... what's the problem? When your provinces get annoyed you give them more autonomy and over time it decreases. It works.

 

[Palp]

You're all lying.

1.8 finally let me get The Three Mountains achievement!

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

Disagree on the rebels. They're eminently more manageable now. Haven't had a single revolt since 1.8, because they're very controllable. Don't need to maintain a rebel-stomping group anymore; a big buff to massive conquest-spree nations like Ottomans.

I am curious to know, have you played as the Ottomans lately? What is your rate of conquest? ATM it is bloody impossible to prevent rebellions unless you waste tons of ADM raising stab to at least 2 and take Humanism as your 1st idea group (early on seems to be a huge waste from a WC POV). I always increase LA when I take the provinces and keep the OE below 100% but after 20 years of constant war annexing the Balkans very near the border with Austria I got my 1st rebellion and guess what? I had to deal with 64 regiments when no one in the world has that kind of army. It is even worse if you vassal feed because the vassal AI never increases LA so you'll have to deal with waves of rebels which killed that feature in the early game (can´t stand the micromanagment and it is a huge economic drain).

 

[gaius valerius]

I can't play this game anymore, the new update is just godawful. First, the game runs like complete ass. I have a i7 3770k with 8GB of RAM and a dedicated GPU, a XFX 7950. The amount of lag on the map is just ridiculous, and the frames when moving around are so choppy.

Secondly, this new rebel system and local autonomy is just plain awful. If I raise autonomy, I'll be losing out on income and manpower. If I don't, guess what, I get to face huge rebel armies that are almost double my own forcelimit, with eacharmy having god tier generals. Worse of all, there's no real way to keep the revolt risks down permanently. Before you say "Hurr raise autonomy", it takes a ridiculously long time to lower and raise autonomy. With a rebel system like this, it should be quicker. The autonomy system is an annoyance that bugs you every couple years with giant rebel armies commanded by George S. Patton.

A note on the autonomy. I've read that overseas provinces get a minimum of 75% autonomy. 75%. So that's 75% of your colonial income and manpower gone. Ming, one of my favourite nations is nerfed, beaten, and pissed on the ground. In previous versions, it was a great nation to play as, and you always had chances. Now, they removed the -25% buff from Eunechs, making Ming worse than the hordes with next to no chance of rising up. Secondly, Ming provinces have a minimum autonomy of 50%. 50% of manpower and income down the drain. Back then, Ming was the rich, prosperous Chinese dynasty it was historically. Now, it makes mediocre income, and it's "godly manpower' is a absolute joke.

So long as this game runs like ass on my high tier gaming PC and autonomy is in play, looks like I'll be playing more of CKII or Vicky 2.

This is strange... my system is roughly the same as yours, it runs smooth. As for overall gameplay, I like it better, in fact it is a tad easy.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

A note on the autonomy. I've read that overseas provinces get a minimum of 75% autonomy. 75%. So that's 75% of your colonial income and manpower gone.

That also means that you pretty much have no way of controlling rebellions in the colonies; but since rebels are fun and the rewards for defeating them are huge I guess it is ok.

 

[omega20056]

Try turning off trees and ambient objects.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

I know where and when they are going to spawn and can either do something to stop it or prepare for the worst. It's not bloody effing RANDOM anymore. Thank god.

Well that is not entirely true because AFAIK rebel spawn seems to be random in occupied territory and supporting the rebels seems to be bugged in 1.8 (...)

 

[Sjakie]

I am curious to know, have you played as the Ottomans lately? What is your rate of conquest? ATM it is bloody impossible to prevent rebellions unless you waste tons of ADM raising stab to at least 2 and take Humanism as your 1st idea group (early on seems to be a huge waste from a WC POV). I always increase LA when I take the provinces and keep the OE below 100% but after 20 years of constant war annexing the Balkans very near the border with Austria I got my 1st rebellion and guess what? I had to deal with 64 regiments when no one in the world has that kind of army. It is even worse if you vassal feed because the vassal AI never increases LA so you'll have to deal with waves of rebels which killed that feature in the early game (can´t stand the micromanagment and it is a huge economic drain).

Key part of your post: "After twenty years of constant war".

Lol.

 

[Lakedaimon]

Proof that there will always be people claiming that EU4 is "broken" or "ruined" or "unplayable" even after changes were made that improved the game by an incredible lot. Just because there are some hick-ups that need to be tweaked away doesn't make the game any of the things that are always claimed it is. Revolts finally went from a minor nuisance to a credible threat when mismanaged and it was about dam time.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

Key part of your post: "After twenty years of constant war".

Lol.

Key part of that constant war: 0 WE due to buying it down and being the Dotf

 

[Lakedaimon]

Key part of that constant war: 0 WE due to buying it down and being the Dotf

After 20 years of war you will have conquered so much that you can throw anything you want at it, the realm will remain unstable. If you take lots and lots of orthodox land in wars in a short period of time you will have A LOT of unhappy orthodox people to deal with. This is a new factor in your conquest and if not taken into account, yea you will be faced with immense revolts. You can't just gobble up more and more land, abide by the OE and AE cap but ignore the new revolt constraints and expect everything to go well. Revolts are now a limiting factor in how fast you can expand and you will have to keep this in mind or face the consequences.

 

[illapa]

....you do realize that revolt risk used to give you the same penalties as autonomy right? I love the new system it gives you actual control to manage rebellions and makes a bunch of sense. The Ming I wish were buffed a bit I think they were nerfed overall but the Autonomy system is great it ticks down fast, gives you a way to actually manage rebellions, and makes sense.

 

[LiberiusX]

I see this thread is living up to its full potential. Please continue.

 

[Illianor123]

Key part of that constant war: 0 WE due to buying it down and being the Dotf

What was the revolt risk in those provinces. You would normally be getting a lot of revolts under the old system anyway (wrong religion, low unity, un accepted culture etc). 20 years mean all but your earliest provinces will still have nationalism anyway.