EUIV is ruined

[Xerberuss]

I can't play this game anymore, the new update is just godawful. First, the game runs like complete ass. I have a i7 3770k with 8GB of RAM and a dedicated GPU, a XFX 7950. The amount of lag on the map is just ridiculous, and the frames when moving around are so choppy.

Secondly, this new rebel system and local autonomy is just plain awful. If I raise autonomy, I'll be losing out on income and manpower. If I don't, guess what, I get to face huge rebel armies that are almost double my own forcelimit, with eacharmy having god tier generals. Worse of all, there's no real way to keep the revolt risks down permanently. Before you say "Hurr raise autonomy", it takes a ridiculously long time to lower and raise autonomy. With a rebel system like this, it should be quicker. The autonomy system is an annoyance that bugs you every couple years with giant rebel armies commanded by George S. Patton.

A note on the autonomy. I've read that overseas provinces get a minimum of 75% autonomy. 75%. So that's 75% of your colonial income and manpower gone. Ming, one of my favourite nations is nerfed, beaten, and pissed on the ground. In previous versions, it was a great nation to play as, and you always had chances. Now, they removed the -25% buff from Eunechs, making Ming worse than the hordes with next to no chance of rising up. Secondly, Ming provinces have a minimum autonomy of 50%. 50% of manpower and income down the drain. Back then, Ming was the rich, prosperous Chinese dynasty it was historically. Now, it makes mediocre income, and it's "godly manpower' is a absolute joke.

So long as this game runs like ass on my high tier gaming PC and autonomy is in play, looks like I'll be playing more of CKII or Vicky 2.

 

[Xara]

Disagree on the rebels. They're eminently more manageable now. Haven't had a single revolt since 1.8, because they're very controllable. Don't need to maintain a rebel-stomping group anymore; a big buff to massive conquest-spree nations like Ottomans.

There are nations that can stack lots of -unrest, letting you hit the -25 autonomy +10 unrest right away - if you're at -10 or lower (very possible with some combos) you'll still be at 0 afterwards and get a big performance boost. There are others (Switzerland) that start with nice -autonomy, at peace or not, right away. It's a great impetus for actually changing governments, as the more advanced ones come with increasing automatic autonomy decreases, from -0.1 to -0.4 per month. And you don't necessarily need to raise autonomy if the opposite is true - you can still funnel some MP to stopping the rebellions, station troops on top of the province, use a theologian, etc.

 

[KPJ]

It runs just as well as ever for me, and I have a crappier computer than you. I think they'll get it sorted, it's clearly some issue with a specific process going on in your machine.

I love the new rebels and autonomy mechanics, I don't see why people dislike it. It forces you to make strategic decisions in a strategy game, that makes perfect sense. You even outlined the options: Lose some income and manpower, or deal with the rebels. If you accept the loss on income and MP, you buy yourself some time to convert their religion/culture/core, or finish that war; if you maintain the income and MP, you need to keep some troops handy to deal with the rebels.

 

[Promanco]

First you are lying. My computer is significantly inferior to yours and it runs smoothly, a bit slower than 1.7 sure specially in month change.
I can understand people with lower specs pcs complaining about performance if it slowed me down it probably slowed them down even more.
But with your specs you are plain and simply lying.
BTW 75% autonomy is a LOWER handycap than the old overseas penalty which was 90%.

 

[TheBoozehammer]

Try the beta patch, it apparently helps a lot with performance.

 

[IIWW]

As for the lags: try the 1.8.1 betapatch (look on sticked threads, You'll find it with instruction)
As for rebels: Authonomy made me forget about rebels totally. Nationalism last 30 years, and each years it's influence on unrest is reduced by 0,5. With high legitimacy, state religion/high tollerance You'll rarely find the rebels a problem. They usually won't make it to 80%, unless You conquered a lot of same culture provinces, but then You should be able to beat the rebels. + it reduces unrest by -20 for a short time, and resets rebels progress. I find the new system great, cause rebels ceased to be any threat (and I don't play as the greatest powerhouses).
As for overseas: it has always been like that, it was just named differently. You had "distant overseas penalty", now You have LA cap. Nothing's really changed (well, maybe a little, TP is lower.)
As for Mings, I don't know, as I said I don't usually pay so powerfull countries.
Edit:

First you are lying. My computer is significantly inferior to yours and it runs smoothly, a bit slower than 1.7 sure specially in month change.
I can understand people with lower specs pcs complaining about performance if it slowed me down it probably slowed them down even more.
But with your specs you are plain and simply lying.
BTW 75% autonomy is a LOWER handycap than the old overseas penalty which was 90%.

That's not true. There was somthing messed up with 1.8 (w/o the new hotfix) that made some computers had performance issues, while other had not. And it wasn't tied to specification per se, as people with inferior computers were often not having these problems, while stronger PC's were lagging. I don't know what caused that, but there were a lot of threads about it.

 

[Xara]

First you are lying. My computer is significantly inferior to yours and it runs smoothly, a bit slower than 1.7 sure specially in month change.
I can understand people with lower specs pcs complaining about performance if it slowed me down it probably slowed them down even more.
But with your specs you are plain and simply lying.
BTW 75% autonomy is a LOWER handycap than the old overseas penalty which was 90%.

That's incredibly rude and downright ignorant. Raw hardware specs do not mean you cannot be affected by hardware-specific errata that interfere with performance.

 

[DKinator]

First you are lying. My computer is significantly inferior to yours and it runs smoothly, a bit slower than 1.7 sure specially in month change.
I can understand people with lower specs pcs complaining about performance if it slowed me down it probably slowed them down even more.
But with your specs you are plain and simply lying.

I'm just going to comment on the performance part. He is NOT lying and it is incredibly unbecoming of you to immediately suggest such when the forum is full of evidence to the contrary. Many of us are experiencing performance issues to the point of the game being unplayable. I trust it'll be fixed, but don't suggest people are lying because the game is just fine and dandy for you.

 

[LiberiusX]

You're all lying.

 

[SacredDatura]

EU4 is ruined!

Ruined!!

 

[balmung60]

Disagree on the rebels. They're eminently more manageable now. Haven't had a single revolt since 1.8, because they're very controllable. Don't need to maintain a rebel-stomping group anymore; a big buff to massive conquest-spree nations like Ottomans.

There are nations that can stack lots of -unrest, letting you hit the -25 autonomy +10 unrest right away - if you're at -10 or lower (very possible with some combos) you'll still be at 0 afterwards and get a big performance boost. There are others (Switzerland) that start with nice -autonomy, at peace or not, right away. It's a great impetus for actually changing governments, as the more advanced ones come with increasing automatic autonomy decreases, from -0.1 to -0.4 per month. And you don't necessarily need to raise autonomy if the opposite is true - you can still funnel some MP to stopping the rebellions, station troops on top of the province, use a theologian, etc.

Actually, the best ones go up to -0.5 LA per month.

 

[henzington]

I think part of it is related to adding the extra provinces. I know my CK2 performance suffered when Rajas of India came out.

 

[TheLastSamovar]

First you are lying. My computer is significantly inferior to yours and it runs smoothly, a bit slower than 1.7 sure specially in month change.
I can understand people with lower specs pcs complaining about performance if it slowed me down it probably slowed them down even more.
But with your specs you are plain and simply lying.
BTW 75% autonomy is a LOWER handycap than the old overseas penalty which was 90%.

Wow, I hope Paradox sends you a check for this level of shilling.

 

[Clownie]

This thread stands as a shining beacon to the ability of this forum's demographic to engage in calm, reasonable rhetoric.

 

[ZangoZett]

I find rebels to now be easier to deal with than ever. Instead of having to consistently leave an army lounging around near provinces with Revolt risk to step on rebels when they pop up (or completely ignoring them and making them vanish for the low price of 10 prestige), now you get a special timer all laid out just for you that tells you exactly where and when the rebels will pop-up, allowing you to divert resources at only the exact moment you need them.

Really, the only scenario I can see rebels being a serious issue would be something like a Peasant's War, because unlike most of the rebel types peasants can basically spawn anywhere, meaning you'd get TONS of peasants. But you can always just avoid the criteria for a peasant's war, so...

And, oddly enough, despite running the game on a laptop without a real video card (just that HP Integrated Graphics thing) the game seems to run better (?!) than before for me. It seems this varies wildly from person to person, but I'm guessing Paradox had lower end systems in mind when doing the optimization.

 

[LastSalian]

You can always play 1.7.3; works for iron-man too. I'm doing that. Don't like 1.8 either. Too many unnecessary nerfs and autonomy caps suck.

 

[Kansai-kun]

That's incredibly rude and downright ignorant. Raw hardware specs do not mean you cannot be affected by hardware-specific errata that interfere with performance.

His comment basically boils down to the following:
"I have a problem."
"Well, works fine for me, therefore there is no problem."

Especially since problems can even crop up on PCs that should be able to handle the game. My PC had performance issues with games because those were developed with a specific brand of video card in mind.

 

[TolHydra]

I absolutely love the new rebel system. Manageable, not annoying, actual threat and solves the "So I got this province for 2 years, I guess it's an integral part of my realm now" issue.

 

[Tijean]

I totaly agree with the first comment. If i was in the same situation I would be totaly upset. I have some lag issue right now when my pc is running for too long.

Personnaly I think the new rebel system is great. I didn't play a lot but it work just fine for me.

 

[SeraphLance]

This thread stands as a shining beacon to the ability of this forum's demographic to engage in calm, reasonable rhetoric.

What's unreasonable about this, except for one post from one person?

Anyway, I have to agree with the other posters here, OP: Having to choose between rebels and gold/manpower is a strategic choice that opens up a lot more gameplay options. Autonomy ticks down pretty fast all things considered, and you can force it down faster, but you risk potential revolts for those short-term gains. Conversely you can choose to expand slowly-but-steadily.

Ming is a bit controversial, and I haven't played them so I can't comment.