EUIV - Development Diary - 5th of May 2020

EUIV - Development Diary - 5th of May 2020

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Any chance Burgundy’s flag can be changed to their Coat of Arms? The cross flag is horrible, and it’s more fitting for them to use their coat of arms anyway!

No? That’s a shame
You are very right!
The burgundian cross flag which I can only use here in my avatar was a flag in war time.
The CoA of the house of Burgundy-Valois was this:
150px-Blason_fr_Bourgogne.svg.png
and later on when Burgundy enlarged:

800px-Arms_of_the_Duke_of_Burgundy_1430-1482_(chivalric).svg.png
sorry its little bit too small but you can enlarged it:)
 

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Yeah maybe but is there a need for a new tag? You could just give Lotharingia a bit different wording for the decision to form France to explain that they're reforming Francia not west Francia.
Considering that Lotharingia is essentially Middle Francia, I think them uniting all of Francia and proclaiming it makes sense, it's like if a minor nation forms Byzantium then forms Rome, they are proclaiming that next level that shows it's a fully united empire, just how I see it
 

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To weigh-in on this whole Francia debate, I don't think that Francia should be added as a separate formable nation with its own missions, ideas, etc. I propose making it a cosmetic tag, with France having a decision to change their name to this that they can take if they own certain provinces in Germany and Italy and the HRE no longer exists.
 

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To weigh-in on this whole Francia debate, I don't think that Francia should be added as a separate formable nation with its own missions, ideas, etc. I propose making it a cosmetic tag, with France having a decision to change their name to this that they can take if they own certain provinces in Germany and Italy and the HRE no longer exists.
France would have no interest in reverting back to Francia by that point though, while a country that is already embracing Frankish heritage by restoring Lotharingia would likely proclaim Francia, besides, I have a feeling if Revolutionary France went crazy we would see a Revolutionary Francia led by Emperor Napoleon or something along those lines.
 

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To weigh-in on this whole Francia debate, I don't think that Francia should be added as a separate formable nation with its own missions, ideas, etc. I propose making it a cosmetic tag, with France having a decision to change their name to this that they can take if they own certain provinces in Germany and Italy and the HRE no longer exists.

That's nearly the same as making it its own tag, similar to yuan, the mogol empire or the Romans. None of these have missions, but instead a nice idea set or in case of the mobile a unique government. In my Opinion Francia should be similar. Not having unique missions, but its own strong idea set, a new color and emblem.

I can't understand the argument why just France should be able to form it and not all nations that historically were part of it. Since it is the HRE that would be a lot so maybe require them to form another larger nation first like unified HRE/Germany or Tuscany/Italy.
 

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Eu4 as far as I know don't have dynamic country naming. Changing a name means you have to change the tag too.
 

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Kingdom of Lotharingia and kingdom of Lorraine should be the same tag, the name of the tag should be determined whether formed by a german or French culture group nation
The established pattern in EU4 is that states are, where feasible, referred to by their customary English-language name (which reminds me, I should resurrect my minimod that calls Iran Iran).

In English, the duchy uses the French name (Lorraine), but Lothair's kingdom – when not referred to as "Middle Francia" – is referred to by the Latin name, Lotharingia. (The German name is Lothringen.)
 

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I just want to know if this event is scripted to happen every game. If playing as Burgundy can you skip this problematic event chain by siring an heir? Are you weighted more towards female heirs? Dealing with a hostile France & Austria is kinda difficult.
 

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France would have no interest in reverting back to Francia by that point though, while a country that is already embracing Frankish heritage by restoring Lotharingia would likely proclaim Francia, besides, I have a feeling if Revolutionary France went crazy we would see a Revolutionary Francia led by Emperor Napoleon or something along those lines.
That's nearly the same as making it its own tag, similar to yuan, the mogol empire or the Romans. None of these have missions, but instead a nice idea set or in case of the mobile a unique government. In my Opinion Francia should be similar. Not having unique missions, but its own strong idea set, a new color and emblem.

I can't understand the argument why just France should be able to form it and not all nations that historically were part of it. Since it is the HRE that would be a lot so maybe require them to form another larger nation first like unified HRE/Germany or Tuscany/Italy.
I meant more along the lines of the Titular Empires of CKII (Latin Empire, etc.). it would literally just change the name of the country, nothing else.
 

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@Meka66 As someone has already asked, why the choice to have Flanders join the HRE? It was never part of it (well, parts of it were, but that's another discussion). It was a French county.
Flanders was not a French county, it was a Flemish county, but yeah they shouldn't join the HRE, maybe they should get the option to join, Hainaut as well, just in case they fear French aggression
 

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Flanders was not a French county, it was a Flemish county, but yeah they shouldn't join the HRE, maybe they should get the option to join, Hainaut as well, just in case they fear French aggression
He means French as in it was part of France, and it was actually Frankish, seeing as Flemmish and Dutch are the closest continuation of the Frankish culture there is. It's part of France because it is the region from which Francia arose.
 

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Isnt it a bit weird that we havent got a single reply from the devs yet? Not even on minor or non too "spoilery"/far/deep reaching questions?

EDIT:
Need to correct myself, they answered, just didnt see it immediately cause of the new forum layout. Read the answers now! :)

Nonetheless, Im looking forward to play Burgundy in our first MP Session with my friends on release! (Whenever that is, 202? :p) On that point, I need to say this too: Since all the dev diaries, nobody (of my boys) is motivated to play right now, with all those updates waiting.. Would be cool to know if it will release the next months, or much later in autumn/fall or winter.

Back to Topic:
Somebody asked if the english alliance mission could be fulfilled otherwise, guess its like with any similar of those missions, ally or rival and youre good.

And somehow I hope Lotharingia isnt also named Lothringen (Lorraine) in German.. It needs something a tad bit more fancy and unique. Whatever that might be. Something with the Carolingians maybe?

And as always, keep up the good work and Im looking forward to the next and hopefully finishing dev diaries. Also: Deep dive into Hannover pls! :)
 
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He means French as in it was part of France, and it was actually Frankish, seeing as Flemmish and Dutch are the closest continuation of the Frankish culture there is. It's part of France because it is the region from which Francia arose.
and until.. 1529? it was seen as a part of France , so maybe not cores , but should have at least claims on it , whether at start or in a mission chain
 
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and until.. 1529? it was seen as a part of France , so maybe not cores , but should have at least claims on it , whether at start or in a mission chain
It is part of France because it is part of Burgundy which is part of france, It doensn't need french cores because it's in a PU under a french duchy. The point of missions is to guide the developing situation, and while Flanders is part of France it is also about to drift away from France.