EUIV - Development Diary - 28th of April 2020

EUIV - Development Diary - 28th of April 2020

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I find it wierd that the reconciliation option gets always chosen by the AI. Like, IRL, all the Hussite regions did not flip to catholic.
 

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I find it wierd that the reconciliation option gets always chosen by the AI. Like, IRL, all the Hussite regions did not flip to catholic.
Probably an approximation of the somewhat peaceful state which ensues. It certainly isn’t ideal though.
 

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Why on Earth are Adamite church services an option for Hussites when historically, the Hussites hated the neo-Adamites and attempted to wipe them out? Is there some connection between the Adamites and the Hussites that I'm not familiar with? Because from what I know that option makes no sense.
a meme option because Paradox ignores history whenever there is an opportunity for some sort of dumb joke now
 
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Is Bohemian Commonwealth new nation tag, regular Commonwealth, but formed by Bohemia or entirely different thing?
 
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Why on Earth are Adamite church services an option for Hussites when historically, the Hussites hated the neo-Adamites and attempted to wipe them out? Is there some connection between the Adamites and the Hussites that I'm not familiar with? Because from what I know that option makes no sense.
Because they want people to google, what that means. :)
 
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Could this be complemented by a estate unique to Bohemia called Utraquists? Giving privileges to them would make provinces Hussite/+autonomy, while this should be compensated by higher tax efficiency, infantry combat ability, and manpower recovery speed. Just an idea...
 
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I feel like dip rep would be a better bonus for the "Pacifism" church aspect, since it makes a bigger difference for being able to get into alliances and have allies defend you. Improve relations speed won't help you when your neighbors are hostile...
 
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Why on Earth are Adamite church services an option for Hussites when historically, the Hussites hated the neo-Adamites and attempted to wipe them out? Is there some connection between the Adamites and the Hussites that I'm not familiar with? Because from what I know that option makes no sense.
Same reason why devs think Hussite needs a Regular Defenestrations aspect, or why Enrique should be 0/0/0.
 

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Nice additions. Bohemia always felt, at least to me, like this kind of weird state within the HRE that exists mainly to get absorbed by Austria. Now it feels like a proper playable nation.

P.S. Will the entire Bohemian mission tree (except the explicitly Hussite part) be available to players, or will the entire thing be locked unless we go Hussite?
 
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P.S. Will the entire Bohemian mission tree (except the explicitly Hussite part) be available to players, or will the entire thing be locked unless we go Hussite?
They said that the upper-left part of the three (the mission chain with religion) will change depending on which religious option you follow: coexistence, Hussite purism, or Catholic purism.
I feel like dip rep would be a better bonus for the "Pacifism" church aspect, since it makes a bigger difference for being able to get into alliances and have allies defend you. Improve relations speed won't help you when your neighbors are hostile...
Improve relations speed is named badly; it doesn't just affect the improve relations diplo action, but also makes negative modifiers improve towards zero faster. This is really important for aggressive expansion, because it means your AE will wear off faster. So if you are brushing the AE cap (easy and dangerous in the HRE), you can spend your Church Power on becoming Pacifist and then by the time you have enough Church Power to change back, you'll have more headroom to expand again without hitting a coalition.
 

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I tend to agree that Centers of Reformation are too strong as it is, especially the Hussite one if the dev clash is still representative of the final state of the patch, even after the changes they mentioned.

I hope they eventually revisit how the Reformation is represented, particularly within individual countries. One of the reasons why Protestantism is ahistorically attractive is that it's relatively quick and painless to convert an entire country - store up some admin points to deal with the stability hit and use the +10% bonus to missionary strength to convert most of your provinces within a decade - which fails to simulate the decades of social and religious strife that even the populations most disenchanted with the Catholic Church experienced. For now, though, I'd be happy if they weakened Centers of Reformation a bit and gave modders the tools to tinker with them further.
Yes and no the CoR are to strong yes but countries outside mainland Europe almost never switch to protestant o you en d up with a sort of inverse of what was in reality with the nordic countries staying catholic but the entirety of central Europe going protestant
I really think that the reformation ought to be broken up into the people's reformation and the prince's reformation.
 

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I would like to make some suggestions regarding the Bohemian national ideas. First of all, currently the Wagenburg gives 5% to infantry combat ability and 5% reduction to shock damage received, tbh this is probably weaker than than when it previously was 10% infantry combat ability. Considering the strong Hussite legacy and that this is the only military national idea for Bohemia, along with how much stronger most other national ideas have gotten, I think it could easily be buffed to 10% infantry combat ability and 10% reduction to shock damage received.

Secondly, now that all Hostile core-creation cost national ideas have been removed, I noticed in the dev clash that Bohemia received a new national idea that lowers their advisor cost, if the advisor is of czech culture. Thats ok, I guess, but Bohemia already has one of its traditions reducing the advisor cost, so perhaps there could be something else. So my idea is that since Bohemia was one of the first regions in Europe to undergo an extensive industrialization and remained on the top throughout the 19th century and all the way till the end of WW2, they could receive "Industrial Heart of Europe" as their last national idea, giving them 15% production efficiency increase.
 

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so now you haveto wait to get emperor if you're hussite?
and i wonder on how often you can whange the bonuses/subclut
 
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Cool stuff in this DD, no questions asked, but I still can not understand, why the outcome of the League War/Religious eligibility for emperor is so limited. It's either Protestant, Catholic of freakin' everything. This DLC would've been perfect to soften that up a little.
Twice now it furiates me, that you need Religious Peace for anything other than Protestant. First in the DD about the HRE, where the Reformed believers want to reconcile or whatever with the Protestants after they win, and a Protestant emperor can say "Yeah, sure" but that makes Catholics eligible again, which doesn't make sense at all. Now we have Hussites, that seem fun, but you either have to stop being Hussite and become Lutheran to ever be Emperor, or try to make the League War go bad for everyone so that there's a chance for Religious Peace.

Why isn't there an option to add eligible religions to the HRE, other than Protestant, Catholic or every imaginable kind of Christian?
 

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Why not make it so the hussie center of reformation can only convert primary culture and accepted culture province ? It would ensure not all europe convert to hussite before the reformation can start while converting bohemia's neighboring province
 
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So the second part of that is more complex than you might think, especially with this game. Really "Protestantism" in this game should be "Lutheranism" since the game made the distinction between Calvinism (Reformed) and Protestantism. Henry VIII hated Luther with a passion (He wrote a book titled "Defence of the Seven Sacraments" which was directed entirely against Martin Luther.) and would make his church look more Catholic simply to not look Lutheran. For example, Henry VIII's private chapel continued to celebrate a Latin liturgy even after it became Anglican. Anglicanism has always struggled to be a "Via media" or "Middle way" between Protestantism and Catholicism and it would have been really cool to have seen some features in the game for that. I certainly do think if we are going to separate Calvinism and Lutheranism we really should separate Anglicanism too.

I think at this point protestantism should be renamed in EU4.