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EUIV - Development Diary - 25th of February 2020

Hello everyone! So we have worked on this update for quite a long while and already covered a lot of features in previous diaries. However just because we’ve already covered something doesn’t mean we’ve stopped working on those features but we have been polishing and constantly improving them. Today we will be revisiting and diving deeper into the new Mercenary mechanics.

I want to highlight as usual, that any numbers you see in the pictures are very work in progress.

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Let’s start with the concept and the premise we had for doing this change of a core part of the game. Mercenaries have gone through a lot of iterations over the years to try and solve problems created by the mercenaries themselves, Despite these changes the problems have never really changed. Mercenaries as in how they are currently implemented lets you completely bypass or ignore an entire core feature of the game if you are rich enough. Manpower. And Manpower being cheapened meant that a lot of other features as well lost quite a bit of meaning, like supply limits.

Manpower is supposed to be something you have to budget, just like your treasury, something that becomes exhausted as you fight a heavy war versus your rivals. Mercenaries are supposed to supplement this, being more prevalent early in the game and fade away in their use as your nation modernizes and gets access to way bigger sources of manpower. Fundamentally why the Mercenaries do not act like this, is because they exist in a never ending supply to the player. One example of trying to address this issue was to try and make manpower using regiments more valuable with features like Army Professionalism and special units. However a 0 strength regiment is still 0 strength regardless of how good it is.

Jake and I far back when working on the design threw together some points of what our vision was and what we had to achieve.
  • Mercenaries must be in some way finite
  • Mercenaries should not be scalable for late game
  • A player should not be able to screw over another player by clicking first
Working with this framework we bounced a lot of ideas between us and discarded a lot of ideas. For instance a favorite of my ideas did not fulfill the last requirement as it would let you before a war exhaust on purpose the available mercenaries for your enemy.

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So as you know from previous development diaries we settled on the Company mechanic inspired from Crusader Kings and Imperator but with a twist. Let’s go through a bit quickly what this is for people who haven’t read Jake’s old Dev Diaries.

The old way of recruiting mercenaries and how they interact with your armies is gone and reworked from the ground up as part of the 1.30 Update. You now recruit a whole company, that function as a fully individual army only consisting of mercenary regiments. As you buy a Mercenary Company you also buy the accompanying manpower with that Company giving the Company sort of a finite amount of time fighting for you limited by how well you can manage them. These companies are either seen as “local” or “foreign” and the foreign ones will have unique modifiers and content revolving around them. When the company becomes disbanded, it used to be unavailable to you for 10 years but this has been increased to 20 years. Another change since last dev diary on mercs is that the upper cap of regiments in a company has now been set to 60 instead of 40. Mercenary Companies are still scaled by the development of the hiring nation, but it has as well been tweaked slightly.

To clarify a bit though, a “local” is a company that does not have a home province, each nation has a set amount of these and are always available to you. The foreign ones have a home province and can be hired in your empire if they are within your trade range (not counting stuff like trade winds and such). Foreign Companies also come accompanied with a General and these do not count for your own Leader limit so can be quite handy boost early game for your money.

Since the last development diary covering mercenaries we have done quite a lot of changes besides some number tweaks. What I am covering now wasn’t originally part of our design but something that we’ve been testing as of late.

upload_2020-2-25_8-54-1.png


A big change we’ve done is to emphasize more on the locality of mercenaries. This gives quite a strategic element especially for widespread empires, like colonizers. A Foreign Mercenary Company is recruited from their home province and the further away you recruit from that home the longer time it takes for that mercenary company to form up there. What provinces within your control you can recruit these companies on is determined by your trade range calculated from the companies home province. Most of the base values of the mercenaries will also be now based on their home province, like technology groups and so on. All of this to give a sense of locality to them.

What we want to achieve is that you wouldn’t hire some German Jaegers to fight in India, unless you are willing to transport them all the way over there as well. What we want to promote is inspired in part by history, where the Brits would hire local manpower to fight in India for the most. But we were also solving a problem where you had access to so many Mercenary Companies that it became a non issue again. In essence previously Purbiyas would appear in Paris fully ready to fight another European power in just a matter of days.

upload_2020-2-25_8-54-20.png


Some other changes are the cost of Mercenaries which have been heavily rebalanced. They are no longer as expensive as they were to more fit their new limited nature with manpower. We’ve added some cheaper alternatives for smaller states in the game but with their own drawbacks as to represent their lower pay.

For instance above is the Local Companies available to smaller nations and the one for Free Cities. The idea of these Companies (numbers not final as usual!) are to be incredibly much cheaper to fit the budget of smaller nations, but to compensate they are also not the best of company, being slow to reinforce and slow to regain their morale.

Even though we’ve made Mercenary Companies cheaper we’ve made the over time inflation of land maintenance cost grow faster for Mercenaries. While normal regular troops grow by 2% each military technology you take, the Mercenaries will grow by 8%.

There’s a lot of unique content that has been made now for the Mercenary Companies. Especially for countries such as Hungary and it’s Black Army. Last time we had a lot of [REDACTED] when we talked about it but this time I’m going to tell you more about it.

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Hungary has for a long time had some unique decisions and events relating to their historic Black Army founded by Matthias Corvinus which relied more on paid standing mercenaries rather than manpower from the nobility. This is now integrated with the new mercenary system where Hungary early on gets access to unique Mercenary companies to them.

These mercenary companies have events tied to them giving you some unique flavor but they also have a 5% discipline modifier associated with them and are a bit cheaper than other companies.

upload_2020-2-25_8-54-51.png


And when you finally reach a date where the Black Army starts to become out of date historically (This is tied to Age of Reformation) you as a player get a choice to keep them in your employ however at the cost of your Nobility’s faith in you.

We’ve added somewhere around 100 different mercenary companies and several of these are tied to content in the game trying to give them some reliance on the actions of actors in the game. For instance we have the Pontifical Swiss Guard available to the Papal States as a mercenary company now, though quite small, just like the Black Army features a 5% Discipline benefit.

Some other interesting companies to spike your interests are Forlorn Hope that function well like a vanguard, the Dahomey Amazons available to whoever holds Bahomey and last the Hessian Jaegerkorps that become available later in the game and which @Ofaloaf describes as “the perfidious enemies of all God-fearing americans”

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So you might be asking why after nerfing Mercenaries so hard, why are we giving them these benefits? Just because we do not want them to be the main fighting force of your nation and be able to scale properly with the growth of your empire, does not mean we want them entirely gone or not keep them interesting to consider. They still fulfill a function as either auxiliary troops or as veteran soldiers that can give a hard punch even though they might not be able to replenish them as well or be as reliable as your regulars. And a nice thing with how they will work going forward is that we can create a lot of unique and interesting content with them.

As I’ve covered before, this is also why we’ve been going over sources of manpower for the player, we are quite happy with the numbers as is but we wanted the player to have a bit more control than just getting a lot of manpower from ideas, hence the changes to Drill, Professionalism and Buildings as some examples. Some other examples are we have reworked how supply limit and attrition modifiers interact to be a bit softer on you. Another change done is changing the overrun mechanics a bit. This is when you have 10x more forces than the enemy at the instant the battle is created, the combat is concluded the first tick and the enemy gets wiped. This still works but if you have enough to actually fill the combat width it is ignored. You will probably lose the battle if you are facing 30 000 versus 300 000, and you might still get stack wiped during the combat lock part, but you won’t get overrun anymore meaning in face of such an opponent you can still lower the sizes of your stacks. Of course mainly that affects multiplayer because I doubt you’ll see AI walking around with stacks in the range of half a million.

Let’s finish with Mercenary-based modifiers and what has happened to them now. I think we have covered this before but I still see the question so I’ll reiterate on it. Mainly this is about Available Mercenaries which was quite desirable previously. This of course no longer exists and has been remade into a new modifier called Mercenary Manpower.

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So now instead of Available Mercenaries you have Mercenary Manpower. This modifier increases the amount of manpower a company comes with when they are hired by you. It also increases how many Condottieries you can rent out just like how Available Mercenaries did.

Everywhere you would have had Available Mercenaries previously you will now instead have Mercenary Manpower. And since Mercenaries no longer rely on your FL to calculate how many you can have this is a sort of indirect nerf to several idea sets like Quantity and Offensive/Diplomatic. Let’s give you some examples of changes:
  • Switzerland Ideas/Governments been made a lot more Mercenary
    • Their government gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
    • Their ideas gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
    • Their ideas gives -15% Mercenary Maintenance
    • Their ideas gives +5% Mercenary Discipline
  • Burgundy ideas now gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
  • Administrative Ideas now gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
All other modifiers should work as expected, mercenary cost reduces the cost of the company, mercenary maintenance reduces the maintenance, discipline makes them stronger.


It’s hard to try and figure exactly what I should cover and what to go deeper into, especially also since I have the influenza while writing this, but the good with the bad, it means that I can sit and read this thread free of disruptions and try to help clarify any questions people have as well as I can.

Next week’s development diary I’ll be covering some new religious changes.
 
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@Groogy Out of curiosity, does Byzantium have a unique mercenary company they can hire? Since they hired Giovanni Giustiniani & his mercenaries in the final days of the siege of Constantinople which could'be turned the tied if other factors weren't in play! The mercs are not enough on their own, but combined with the main force of a nation, perfect!

Plus it'd be neat if we're able to form/reform companies just like in CK2, like the Varangian Guard & Scholae Palatinae via a special decision or mission tree focus! :D
 
You have stated that hired mercs do not replenish unless you dismantle them.
Is there some why that specific nation's can have a Merc manpower recovery. Ex like hungry and the black army since it was s standing Merc army. Even something like from 0 manpower to full takes 20 years (the current time you have to wait to rehire mercs) as it looks now hungry would have to juggle and cycle Merc armies to roleplay. Or is there some other way to simulate standing Merc armies for historical examples
 
Small comment / Idea. Why don't you introduce a slider for the merc companies? Will solve the scaling issue and also give control to players? For example if you want to just hire 10 swissies instead of 20 why is to stop you? You could even get a size rebate/discount and only a general over a certain hurdle (say >10+ / >15+)?

I just don't like the idea that you want to hire the Swiss, but since you cant afford a 30 man company (you just can afford 15 or 20.. whatever) you cant hire them anymore cause your empire has scaled to a certain size. Food for thought.
 
The Dahomey Amazons don't seem to confer much of anything. They give you the ability to have female advisors and generals, but those are cosmetic differences. Isn't that a waste of a bonus?
 
You should give us back the old manpower pools

People rely on mercenaries because manpower is gone too fast

Also splitting up everything to keep attrition down is a micromanaging nightmare when the AI walks around on VH with 250k troops in a province
 
You should give us back the old manpower pools

People rely on mercenaries because manpower is gone too fast

Also splitting up everything to keep attrition down is a micromanaging nightmare when the AI walks around on VH with 250k troops in a province

If they fix and uncap attrition for the AI, that behavior should stop.
 
You should give us back the old manpower pools

People rely on mercenaries because manpower is gone too fast

Also splitting up everything to keep attrition down is a micromanaging nightmare when the AI walks around on VH with 250k troops in a province

And what PDX is trying to achieve here is break the strategy of using money as relatively unlimited manpower instead.
 
I almost wish mercenaries were driven by evenrs, rather than an interface. At any time a nation could click the event 'A call for mercenaries in PROVINCENAME', then, depending on a lot of factors, a mercenary army could be raised there.

Some factors could include whether or not that nation is friendly with (or is a) nations that supply a lot of mercenaries, how that nation has treated mercenaries in the past, and how much money that nation has. When mercenary companies begin to form for a country at peace, nearby nations would get an event telling them mercenaries are gathering and ask them if they want to send out a call for mercenaries too, something that would greatly increase the odds of those nations coming to blows even if that wasn't the original intention.

I just thought up that idea so I'm certain it has problems I haven't thought about yet, but in general I like making things less certain for the player when appropriate.
 
And what PDX is trying to achieve here is break the strategy of using money as relatively unlimited manpower instead.

Which is a roundabout way of solving that issue. You don't have Mercs as manpower sink anymore. Great. What do you do with your money in the late game now? Spam buildings that will give a 0.01 monthly return?
 
You can do that. I don't know how you would distinguish between failure to pay and your manpower is too depleted and needs to recover or the war is over.

I mean in ck2 you pay money to the mercenary company, but if you dont have money they can leave or change to the other side.It will be interesting a risky option to choose avoid or delay take loans by choosing pay or not pay mercenary company. If not pay them then they can join to the other war faction or leaving your country looting all the provinces they find in their home way, just a suggestion
 
use [ code ] at the start and [ /code ] at the end to make a proper code block
Yeah i just copy pasted from somewhere.
Does not matter, my disagree groupies already caught up with me, and because they dont know that the Portuguese created a model of occupation in the north of Morocco defined as a restricted territorial model of occupation.
They had the need to manage and defend structures that were too large for their reduced numbers.
This would later be applied in Asia in the 16th century, So my sugestion is historical and flavourfull but thats not why they disagree.

By the way "Casa da India" went bankrupt in 1560, and afonsine ordinaces have nothing to do with production.
Historically.
 
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Hello everyone! So we have worked on this update for quite a long while and already covered a lot of features in previous diaries. However just because we’ve already covered something doesn’t mean we’ve stopped working on those features but we have been polishing and constantly improving them. Today we will be revisiting and diving deeper into the new Mercenary mechanics.

I want to highlight as usual, that any numbers you see in the pictures are very work in progress.

View attachment 547911

Let’s start with the concept and the premise we had for doing this change of a core part of the game. Mercenaries have gone through a lot of iterations over the years to try and solve problems created by the mercenaries themselves, Despite these changes the problems have never really changed. Mercenaries as in how they are currently implemented lets you completely bypass or ignore an entire core feature of the game if you are rich enough. Manpower. And Manpower being cheapened meant that a lot of other features as well lost quite a bit of meaning, like supply limits.

Manpower is supposed to be something you have to budget, just like your treasury, something that becomes exhausted as you fight a heavy war versus your rivals. Mercenaries are supposed to supplement this, being more prevalent early in the game and fade away in their use as your nation modernizes and gets access to way bigger sources of manpower. Fundamentally why the Mercenaries do not act like this, is because they exist in a never ending supply to the player. One example of trying to address this issue was to try and make manpower using regiments more valuable with features like Army Professionalism and special units. However a 0 strength regiment is still 0 strength regardless of how good it is.

Jake and I far back when working on the design threw together some points of what our vision was and what we had to achieve.
  • Mercenaries must be in some way finite
  • Mercenaries should not be scalable for late game
  • A player should not be able to screw over another player by clicking first
Working with this framework we bounced a lot of ideas between us and discarded a lot of ideas. For instance a favorite of my ideas did not fulfill the last requirement as it would let you before a war exhaust on purpose the available mercenaries for your enemy.

View attachment 547912

So as you know from previous development diaries we settled on the Company mechanic inspired from Crusader Kings and Imperator but with a twist. Let’s go through a bit quickly what this is for people who haven’t read Jake’s old Dev Diaries.

The old way of recruiting mercenaries and how they interact with your armies is gone and reworked from the ground up as part of the 1.30 Update. You now recruit a whole company, that function as a fully individual army only consisting of mercenary regiments. As you buy a Mercenary Company you also buy the accompanying manpower with that Company giving the Company sort of a finite amount of time fighting for you limited by how well you can manage them. These companies are either seen as “local” or “foreign” and the foreign ones will have unique modifiers and content revolving around them. When the company becomes disbanded, it used to be unavailable to you for 10 years but this has been increased to 20 years. Another change since last dev diary on mercs is that the upper cap of regiments in a company has now been set to 60 instead of 40. Mercenary Companies are still scaled by the development of the hiring nation, but it has as well been tweaked slightly.

To clarify a bit though, a “local” is a company that does not have a home province, each nation has a set amount of these and are always available to you. The foreign ones have a home province and can be hired in your empire if they are within your trade range (not counting stuff like trade winds and such). Foreign Companies also come accompanied with a General and these do not count for your own Leader limit so can be quite handy boost early game for your money.

Since the last development diary covering mercenaries we have done quite a lot of changes besides some number tweaks. What I am covering now wasn’t originally part of our design but something that we’ve been testing as of late.

View attachment 547913

A big change we’ve done is to emphasize more on the locality of mercenaries. This gives quite a strategic element especially for widespread empires, like colonizers. A Foreign Mercenary Company is recruited from their home province and the further away you recruit from that home the longer time it takes for that mercenary company to form up there. What provinces within your control you can recruit these companies on is determined by your trade range calculated from the companies home province. Most of the base values of the mercenaries will also be now based on their home province, like technology groups and so on. All of this to give a sense of locality to them.

What we want to achieve is that you wouldn’t hire some German Jaegers to fight in India, unless you are willing to transport them all the way over there as well. What we want to promote is inspired in part by history, where the Brits would hire local manpower to fight in India for the most. But we were also solving a problem where you had access to so many Mercenary Companies that it became a non issue again. In essence previously Purbiyas would appear in Paris fully ready to fight another European power in just a matter of days.

View attachment 547914

Some other changes are the cost of Mercenaries which have been heavily rebalanced. They are no longer as expensive as they were to more fit their new limited nature with manpower. We’ve added some cheaper alternatives for smaller states in the game but with their own drawbacks as to represent their lower pay.

For instance above is the Local Companies available to smaller nations and the one for Free Cities. The idea of these Companies (numbers not final as usual!) are to be incredibly much cheaper to fit the budget of smaller nations, but to compensate they are also not the best of company, being slow to reinforce and slow to regain their morale.

Even though we’ve made Mercenary Companies cheaper we’ve made the over time inflation of land maintenance cost grow faster for Mercenaries. While normal regular troops grow by 2% each military technology you take, the Mercenaries will grow by 8%.

There’s a lot of unique content that has been made now for the Mercenary Companies. Especially for countries such as Hungary and it’s Black Army. Last time we had a lot of [REDACTED] when we talked about it but this time I’m going to tell you more about it.

View attachment 547915

Hungary has for a long time had some unique decisions and events relating to their historic Black Army founded by Matthias Corvinus which relied more on paid standing mercenaries rather than manpower from the nobility. This is now integrated with the new mercenary system where Hungary early on gets access to unique Mercenary companies to them.

These mercenary companies have events tied to them giving you some unique flavor but they also have a 5% discipline modifier associated with them and are a bit cheaper than other companies.

View attachment 547916

And when you finally reach a date where the Black Army starts to become out of date historically (This is tied to Age of Reformation) you as a player get a choice to keep them in your employ however at the cost of your Nobility’s faith in you.

We’ve added somewhere around 100 different mercenary companies and several of these are tied to content in the game trying to give them some reliance on the actions of actors in the game. For instance we have the Pontifical Swiss Guard available to the Papal States as a mercenary company now, though quite small, just like the Black Army features a 5% Discipline benefit.

Some other interesting companies to spike your interests are Forlorn Hope that function well like a vanguard, the Dahomey Amazons available to whoever holds Bahomey and last the Hessian Jaegerkorps that become available later in the game and which @Ofaloaf describes as “the perfidious enemies of all God-fearing americans”

View attachment 547917View attachment 547918View attachment 547919

So you might be asking why after nerfing Mercenaries so hard, why are we giving them these benefits? Just because we do not want them to be the main fighting force of your nation and be able to scale properly with the growth of your empire, does not mean we want them entirely gone or not keep them interesting to consider. They still fulfill a function as either auxiliary troops or as veteran soldiers that can give a hard punch even though they might not be able to replenish them as well or be as reliable as your regulars. And a nice thing with how they will work going forward is that we can create a lot of unique and interesting content with them.

As I’ve covered before, this is also why we’ve been going over sources of manpower for the player, we are quite happy with the numbers as is but we wanted the player to have a bit more control than just getting a lot of manpower from ideas, hence the changes to Drill, Professionalism and Buildings as some examples. Some other examples are we have reworked how supply limit and attrition modifiers interact to be a bit softer on you. Another change done is changing the overrun mechanics a bit. This is when you have 10x more forces than the enemy at the instant the battle is created, the combat is concluded the first tick and the enemy gets wiped. This still works but if you have enough to actually fill the combat width it is ignored. You will probably lose the battle if you are facing 30 000 versus 300 000, and you might still get stack wiped during the combat lock part, but you won’t get overrun anymore meaning in face of such an opponent you can still lower the sizes of your stacks. Of course mainly that affects multiplayer because I doubt you’ll see AI walking around with stacks in the range of half a million.

Let’s finish with Mercenary-based modifiers and what has happened to them now. I think we have covered this before but I still see the question so I’ll reiterate on it. Mainly this is about Available Mercenaries which was quite desirable previously. This of course no longer exists and has been remade into a new modifier called Mercenary Manpower.

View attachment 547920

So now instead of Available Mercenaries you have Mercenary Manpower. This modifier increases the amount of manpower a company comes with when they are hired by you. It also increases how many Condottieries you can rent out just like how Available Mercenaries did.

Everywhere you would have had Available Mercenaries previously you will now instead have Mercenary Manpower. And since Mercenaries no longer rely on your FL to calculate how many you can have this is a sort of indirect nerf to several idea sets like Quantity and Offensive/Diplomatic. Let’s give you some examples of changes:
  • Switzerland Ideas/Governments been made a lot more Mercenary
    • Their government gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
    • Their ideas gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
    • Their ideas gives -15% Mercenary Maintenance
    • Their ideas gives +5% Mercenary Discipline
  • Burgundy ideas now gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
  • Administrative Ideas now gives +50% Mercenary Manpower
All other modifiers should work as expected, mercenary cost reduces the cost of the company, mercenary maintenance reduces the maintenance, discipline makes them stronger.


It’s hard to try and figure exactly what I should cover and what to go deeper into, especially also since I have the influenza while writing this, but the good with the bad, it means that I can sit and read this thread free of disruptions and try to help clarify any questions people have as well as I can.

Next week’s development diary I’ll be covering some new religious changes.

Hi,

How is the Professionalism penalty calculated now that single mercenary units no longer exist? Maybe the penalty could be like War Taxes, changing from a single cost to a continuous one.

Also, are the extra map tweaks ever going to be shown?

Thanks and keep up the good work.
 
Jake and I far back when working on the design threw together some points of what our vision was and what we had to achieve.
  • Mercenaries must be in some way finite
  • Mercenaries should not be scalable for late game
  • A player should not be able to screw over another player by clicking first

If mercenaries aren't meant to scale into the late-game, what's the intention with ideas (and other bonuses) which grant bonuses to mercenaries?

Is it one of those "Cav are bad, polish Cav are fantastic" deals? Or something else?
 
What national ideas did Switzerland lose to gain those fairly sweet Merc bonuses? I like my Production Eff, Tolerance, Dev Cost, Infantry Capability, Prestige, and Global Discipline. Don't wanna lose those!

Also can you use Mercenaries as Condottieri? Switzerland was really much better known for fighting AS mercenaries, rather than hiring mercenaries themselves. I understand Swiss-ethnic Mercs in other nations would already get bonuses to reflect this, but I was just wondering if we could also take an active approach with Mercs we use as Condottieri.