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A year or so ago I pointed this out and suggested they release the older DLC for free. I was immediately called a communist and accused of wanting free stuff

<----- yup I want free stuff and certainly never buy any dlc on release to support my favorite devs..... *Sarcasm*

I only have one issue with Paradox's DLC policy, which other people have mentioned here, but I'll add my voice to.

Why doesn't the base game and old DLCs become permanently cheaper once they've been out long enough? It ends up creating a ridiculously high paywall for anyone new. If I had someone interested in the game, I'd have to recommend waiting for a sale, then buying the game and a specific handful of DLC. I don't see why the base game is still the same price it always was and you get none of the extra stuff that's gone into it in the last few years.

This said, I'm someone who generally keeps up with the DLC. Think I've bought everyone except Mare Nostrum and Rights of Man on release (the latter moreso because I'd missed a DLC than because I didn't like what RoM gave - ended up picking the former up when it was on sale). I doubt I'll be buying Third Rome on release though - seems a lot for what it offers, at least at this point in time.
Having bought all the DLCs, I am a full advocate of having the older DLCs being integrated into the base game for the sake of meshing mechanics together, not so much giving it away for the sake of it being free. So long as it makes the game better. Making them free purely to make them free isn't fair to those that paid for them, but if it is done to improve the game and streamline it better, it's fair. Perhaps give a 10% discount and forum icon or something on your next PDX purchase if you had bought a DLC that gets integrated this way.
 

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I glanced over at the storepage a minute ago, and saw a review from one player who had 3,357 hours to their credit. "Not recommended".

o_O Have to say I feel sorry for that person. Imagine spending 4 months of your life engaged in a totally optional leisure activity, but not feeling that you could recommend it to others who are presumably also interested in that same leisure activity.
I would take that number with a grain of salt. Steam's play time figures have been notoriously inaccurate for over a decade now.
 

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I would take that number with a grain of salt. Steam's play time figures have been notoriously inaccurate for over a decade now.
Beyond that, feeling 'sorry' is a joke. Spend your time however you want. Want to feel sorry for someone? Then go donate some of your time to helping out your community. Gamers do not get sympathy for flattening our behinds.

"Not recommended" is just a rage rant as is almost every single post in this thread. This thread, just like those reviews, mean zilch.
 

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There's a friend I've always wanted to buy this for, but I've always held off because it's horrendously expensive at full price and I know that if I buy him the base, it won't be nearly as good as with all DLC and then he'll be locked in on an inferior game - unless he pays for more.

Full price is of course with all the gameplay-changing DLC involved. Because that's really the best version to play. Lots of DLCs are mandatory or upset balance, see Mandate of Heaven which makes Ming into a truck if it's not owned.
 

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I really like this game,but the DLC'S are significantly overpriced,sorry,but I dont find 25$ for a dlc(that doesnt even add much) a reasonable price,not even half of it,and yes most of the people agree with that as you can see.
 

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So you aren't reviewing the game. You're reviewing the price.

As Steam is a STORE, I and everyone else in there is reviewing the price to quality ratio. So yes, I'm reviewing the price, but also the game. These two are directly attached on whether or not a game is worth.

For example, look at the store for the new-ish release Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 - you'll see the general public opinion is that it's a good game but not worth the absurd price given the lack of innovation from the first installment, hence negative reviews. On the other hand, for example, there is Castle Crashers, a fairly good albeit short beat-em-up. It's by no means an amazing or innovating game, but it's an interesting play with some friends and it comes at a very cheap and user-friendly price.

It's hard to compare DBX2 to CC ignoring prices - DBX2 has more characters, is more complex, has a more balanced battle system, is a lot longer and has better graphics. Does this mean DBX2 is an instant Reccomend and CC is an instand downvote? Should we ignore the fact DBX2 is eleven times more costly when considering if the game is worth it?

There is nothing forcing you to buy everything at once, out of a sale. That would be incredibly foolhardy, especially if you are arguing the price point. (...) There is nothing stopping you from buying the base game on sale, then build on top of that over time. I did it until I caught up, my friends did it, and others have too. Do YOU always buy a new game and all it's DLC in one go?

Turns out that's exactly what we were doing and planning on continuing doing, but this close from a steam summer sale, where we'd get good prices for a change, the price hike arrived bringing in an increase that makes the current sale cost equal to the old off-sale cost.

So my reasoning for the game being worth it isn't valid but yours is because...?

Please, let's not go personal - I didn't say your reason, I said that time spent is not valid.

Thing is, personal taste is a big and extremely subjective thing. Pretty much every game has this one guy at the thousands of hours, no matter the game and/or it's cost. A quicl google can have you find people who would have well over 500+ hours of simple/hardly replayable quick RPGs such as Skyborn or Undertale, for example. Definetely worth for them, but these are not the general public. The Steam ratings base off the general public, not the rare exceptions of players on the thousands of hours - such is true for both those games, and is also true for EU4. Those who are rating the game can also be people who played for 100 hours and found themselves completely disappointed, for example.
 

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There's a friend I've always wanted to buy this for, but I've always held off because it's horrendously expensive at full price and I know that if I buy him the base, it won't be nearly as good as with all DLC and then he'll be locked in on an inferior game - unless he pays for more.

Full price is of course with all the gameplay-changing DLC involved. Because that's really the best version to play. Lots of DLCs are mandatory or upset balance, see Mandate of Heaven which makes Ming into a truck if it's not owned.

Pretty much this, the entire Eu4 collection is £207 who is going to pay for that?!!! You can nearly buy a console for that much.

DLC hasn't change price and a lot of the earlier DLC could do with price cuts.

EU4 is really getting into Sims zone with all the DLC and stuff.
 

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EU4 is no where near the Sims level yet. (I'm a long time simmer.)
 

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The solution is clearly to stop making DLCs and instead release a 60$/€ new version of EU every year. Oh, and also rename it to Call of Europa Universalis. Isn't that what the customers want when you look at the Steam reviews?
Another solution would be to make EU4 FtP and start selling ruler packs. 20$ for a 5/5/5 ruler. 10$ for getting bodyguards for your heir on hunting trips.

Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.

And don't forget! That 60€ gets a you complete game with both France AND England unlocked to play! Other nations and countries can be unlocked for only .99€ each.

Ryukyu unlocks for 10€.
 

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Price reduction on older stuff and rolling the DLC's together to make it fewer purchases makes the most sense to me.

The problem I forsee though is that steam sales will mean that paradox wont be able to say "Hey this is 50% off!". Numbers like that are a huge boon to impulse buys. From a profit standpoint I can see why price reductions haven't been done and it is mostly because 20 DLC's noramally $10 each 50% off looks a lot better then 5 DLC's normally $40 each 50% off ($5 for an entire DLC or $20). Really that is the same cost but people can't pick and choose and the individual transaction is higher. This is the same reason that despite unit pricing often being required by law customers are drawn to the low cost low value solution. Of course this is debated by different studies so take it with a grain of salt and draw your own conclusion.

This is why I simply want some of the oldest DLC's to slowly become free. I do mean slowly by the way. Like if they release a new DLC every 6 months then make one free every 12. They could be like "Here have this FOUR YEAR OLD SPRITE PACK, merry Christmas and happy new year from pdx :)". I will continue to buy DLC's as they are released. If people feel this isn't fair then they may feel free to stop buying DLC's and wait 4 years to get free stuff. Nasty... moldy.... old... free stuff.

Edit: I write like crap when I don't get sleep. Oh well sorry for the word vomit.
 

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I glanced over at the storepage a minute ago, and saw a review from one player who had 3,357 hours to their credit. "Not recommended".

o_O Have to say I feel sorry for that person. Imagine spending 4 months of your life engaged in a totally optional leisure activity, but not feeling that you could recommend it to others who are presumably also interested in that same leisure activity.
maybe thats why he doesnt recommend
 

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I generally don't mind paying more for Paradox games than for most other titles, simply because they are so expansive even at release.

Case in point:
-I have played 178 hours of XCom 1, a really good strategy game, where I have played multiple campaigns on different settings.
-I have played 54 hours of Dawn of War 2, a decent strategy game, where I've almost completed the base game twice.
-I have played 2544 hours of EU4, and every new patch makes me want to play 10 new countries (and 5 I already played).
-I have played 267 hours of HOI4 despite its persistent ai problems, and I feel I am just getting started.

Now I get that buying everything for EU4 at once is daunting. And I wouldn't mind Paradox making a cheap bundle of base game+a bunch of early DLC's. But there is so much value in these games at release that they should probably cost twice what a "normal" game costs. By that rationale, I think the DLC strategy is actually pretty reasonable.
 

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300 dollars is a reasonable price to pay for:

1) The base game plus all the free updates and patches in the nearly 4 years since release
2) 10 major DLC released over the course of 4 years.

This is calling an eight course meal, with lots of extra drinks, a "dinner" or a "meal" as an attempt to complain about the price. This is complaining that you can't get The Complete DVD Series for the same price as a single season DVD. It's wondering why you have to pay hundreds of dollars for all the splatbooks and adventure paths for a tabletop RPG, I mean, it's just all one single game, right?
That is hardly a fair comparison, considering that the game has changed so much that you can hardly play it anymore without at least some of the DLC
 

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The problem with people saying that the full price of the game makes it hard to introduce their friends to the game is that this is simply not true. I have introduced several friends to the game and each of them only started with the base game and maybe a couple DLCs, all of this would on sale cost very little. They then decide on their own if they want to buy anymore of the DLC depending on their experiences and needs, but never has any one of them bought the whole game at once. In fact, it makes little sense to buy the whole game as a new player at the start, and while not on sale, why spend such money when you don't even know if you will like the game? Just my two cents.
 

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In fact, it makes little sense to buy the whole game as a new player at the start, and while not on sale, why spend such money when you don't even know if you will like the game? Just my two cents.
This. So very much this.

I mean, even at lower prices than EU4 currently is, this summarizes the approach I took when I bought Europa Universalis III.
 

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I agree with the notion that all DLC older than 2 years should be integrated into the base game or made free.
This ridiculous greed that has come over Pradadox in the recent couple years is going to put many long time fans like myself off for good.
So far i have had no problem buying all games/DLC on launch-day for full price but but recently each and every dlc has become harder and harder sale for me. Not entirely due to the quality of the said dlc (Altho there is no way to deny that dlc for eu4 and ck2 has gone down in quality quite a bit, case in point- Mandate of Heaven) but because the overall attitude of the company towards its customers and the price and frequency of the dlc.
I can't speak for others but i'm not sure how long im willing to keep supporting Paradox. I think Third Roe might be the last dlc/game from paradox i ever buy unless there's a change in the way Paradox conducts its business. Complaining on the forums is fine and all but if we don't vote with our wallet it's not going to matter.
 

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So, the game just got more expensive? I read on Steam that Paradox actually raised the price. Is that correct? Because if it is, that is something very Ubisofty thing to do and the last thing to expect from Paradox.
 

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So, the game just got more expensive? I read on Steam that Paradox actually raised the price. Is that correct? Because if it is, that is something very Ubisofty thing to do and the last thing to expect from Paradox.

Depends what country you live in. Some didn't change, some increased a bit, some increased massively.