Thats not very good reasoning. If the DLC is 2-4 years old countless of sales have passed. It sounds highly unlikely that they would buy it the next sale.
EU4's recent Steam reviews are now at Mixed with 48% rating. Discuss?
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But there have been a boatload of free patches so that should count as the game being updated, no? I mean I have no experience playing with the vanilla 1.0 but just looking at the wiki I can see that there is a very large amount of features added to the base game over the years.
Why do you have to? Did you not enjoy the game a few months ago? If you did then there is absolutely nothing forcing you to buy the immersion pack. And if you don't think that this immersion pack offers you enough enjoyment to justify the price then that should be a very easy decision not to buy it.
I don't understand why people are getting so emotional about a very simple math problem. Yes, get angry and grab your pitchforks and torches when a company is lying about their product or overcharging your card or engaging in damaging business practices. But when a business sets their price at a level that you consider to be higher than what the product is actually worth to you then simply don't buy the product. Sure, feedback about what would make you buy the product is very valuable to said business but let's not become petty.
I wish steam had a better review system and you could at least differentiate between "recommend gameplay" and "recommend as good value". I mean EU IV could increase its price to a million pounds and I would still recommend the gameplay but no longer recommend it for good value.
And I would like to ask all the people who have admitted to adding a "not recommend" review for EU IV because of the recent price hike if you also go around and leave "recommend" reviews for broken or just bad games that are being given out for basically cheaper than a pack of cheap peanuts?
i will be fine with dlc policies, if they didn't put it essential features (i.e. development) under paywall. Or worst, when they removed a basic free feature and then they added again in a dlc (i.e. vassal feeding).
And, but this is just my opinion, i will be more understanding with paradox dlc policies, if they fix more quickly long lasting bugs and unnecessary complicated mechanic (forts pathing i'm looking at you)
For what matters, when Common Sense was released, i stop upgraded the game and i still play 1.11 version (but once in a while i try the new versions)
And, but this is just my opinion, i will be more understanding with paradox dlc policies, if they fix more quickly long lasting bugs and unnecessary complicated mechanic (forts pathing i'm looking at you)
For what matters, when Common Sense was released, i stop upgraded the game and i still play 1.11 version (but once in a while i try the new versions)
Because letting a game publisher decide what reviews get published on the game distribution site they maintain is such a good idea.
One of the issues is the recent change Paradox made to his model. We went from a model where DLC and free patches were "independant" from each others to :
Free patch 1 + DLC 1 with paid features
Free patch 2 (makes almost necessary DLC 1) + DLC 2 with paid features
Free patch 3 (makes almost necessary DLC 2) + DLC 3 with paid features
Patch 1.18, with the introduction of the Institutions system, made the Common Sense DLC a must have.
I didn't try with the Ming patch but according to the patch notes and the message of KimmelZhang123 in this thread things seem to get even worse because the free patch makes the new DLC a must if you play in Asia (instead of making it just a more pleasant gaming experience).
It is quite irritating to see that, if you want the latest fixes for the base game, you are almost forced to buy a DLC. Imagine how a player, who was not interest in the Common Sense DLC, must feel since the 1.18 patch.
It's very nice of Paradox to care for their players like they do and to offer them free content along with the patches but you shouldn't have to buy a DLC to enjoy the bugfixes for the base game.
Regarding the price, most of the old players already own all the DLC they want, so those who are going to buy DLC like Art of War are mostly the new players. It's quite hard to convince a new player to pay 40€ for a 4 years old game and then almost 200€ more if he wants to be up to date with the DLC. Maybe that Paradox should start to reduce the base price of the old DLC/make an interesting offer of the base game + a bunch of old DLC in order to attract new players.
Free patch 1 + DLC 1 with paid features
Free patch 2 (makes almost necessary DLC 1) + DLC 2 with paid features
Free patch 3 (makes almost necessary DLC 2) + DLC 3 with paid features
Patch 1.18, with the introduction of the Institutions system, made the Common Sense DLC a must have.
I didn't try with the Ming patch but according to the patch notes and the message of KimmelZhang123 in this thread things seem to get even worse because the free patch makes the new DLC a must if you play in Asia (instead of making it just a more pleasant gaming experience).
It is quite irritating to see that, if you want the latest fixes for the base game, you are almost forced to buy a DLC. Imagine how a player, who was not interest in the Common Sense DLC, must feel since the 1.18 patch.
It's very nice of Paradox to care for their players like they do and to offer them free content along with the patches but you shouldn't have to buy a DLC to enjoy the bugfixes for the base game.
Regarding the price, most of the old players already own all the DLC they want, so those who are going to buy DLC like Art of War are mostly the new players. It's quite hard to convince a new player to pay 40€ for a 4 years old game and then almost 200€ more if he wants to be up to date with the DLC. Maybe that Paradox should start to reduce the base price of the old DLC/make an interesting offer of the base game + a bunch of old DLC in order to attract new players.
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Its asking you if you'd recommend the game...I wouldn't. As I'm sure most of these people wouldn't, and why they reviewed the way they did.
I personally think the DLCs don't add enough content to justify the price, thus I believe they are overpriced. Also, I hate that there is usually only one feature I like/really look forward to each DLC, and that I'd have to pay 25 dollars to get it.
But this is a recommendation for the main game, right? Do I think that the DLC are needed to enjoy the base game? No, you could have fun, and you could even think its worth the 50 dollars. But I don't think its worth the price, and as with the DLC, is overpriced. After having to overpay for the main game, maybe you could think you'd get a break with the DLCs.. noooope.
I even tried to recommend it, but the price is just too steep. Even before the price increase my friends weren't prepared to sink that much money into the game..
Also, another big reason for the negative reviews is the recent price change in many countries without warning (without any type of announcement even ((We only found out because someone noticed and posted on the forum I think))), and weeks before the big summer sale. Another reason I wouldn't recommend to anyone I know.
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Except that it doesn't, because you can't hand over Territorial Cores to an estate.
My bad, I will correct my post. The point stands for the patch 1.18 and Common Sense, though.
Who the hell uses Steam and buys games & DLCs at full price unless they were released inside 6 months?
Considering I have 2633 hours in it, I think it's worth every penny. Consider this: ALL of the DLC (graphical, music, and short stories include) costs $310.74 (American) without any discounts whatsoever. In my case, that's roughly 8.5 hours of entertainment per dollar.
If you only buy the base game and Expansions, that comes out to $194.89. In my case, that's a value of roughly 13.5 hours of entertainment per dollar. That's equivalent to going to the movie theater 5-6 times for a single dollar.
On top of this, consider that if you play Multiplayer, you get to use the host's DLC, free of charge. So in reality you have the potential to use everything Paradox has to offer for $40, with value increasing even more if you buy it on a sale (which you should).
13.5 hours per dollar is amazing for me, and I find it very difficult to argue that this is too expensive in my opinion. Good luck finding a better time to dollar entertainment value.
Yes, the GAME, not the DLC packs. We sure did get update to many features, but most of them are left untouched after a DLC's release. There has been no major changes to Custom Nations (other than being able to make your queen ._.) or RNW for example.
Actually, yes. As Steam reviews is buyer to buyer, we use it to tell other players if it's worth the investment. Given F2P games only require an investment of time, a half-decent F2P game is damn sure worthy of a thumbs up. While EU4 is a great game and sure does outdo other games I've played, even AAAs, I don't think I'd have bought it in the first place for 105 BRL.
You're ignoring one VERY important factor: 310 dollars is NOT easy to come by for everyone, specially in the countries affected by the price hike.
The minimum wage here, when converted to hourly and in dollars, is roughly 1.8 dollars/hour. It's not anywhere near the american/euro wages, paying those prices for EU4 is a very steep and massive opportunity cost issue after the hike. For comparison, with this amount (310$), right now, I could rather safely have lunch in a good restaurant after uni about 34 times - a whole month and some of being well-fed with good food.
One could argue the time spent playing EU4 makes it worth it, but that's hardly valid - there are those out there who've invested many thousand hours into many sorts of games, from simple beat-em-ups to literal repetitive puzzles like Tetris. Doesn't mean the general public always finds the same entertainment.
Myself, I have the full kit other than e-books, with a solid 1150 hours. When moved to BRL - our local currency - that's roughly... one real per hour. Given our general purchasing power, a real has the same effect psychologically to us that a dollar would have to you. EU4 might be worth every penny for 310, but is it for 1100? Wouldn't you feel a little cheated for that price, SPECIALLY when it was done completely out of the blue without warning three weeks away from the sale that'd allow you to catch up to DLC? More on, do you think the same investment would make sense for other PDX games whose prices went up (CK2/Vic2/HOI4)? Sure, EU4 is still strategy gold, but I don't think such would work for CK2 and such.
So you aren't reviewing the game. You're reviewing the price.
$0.50 per hour? Yes.
I did address this:
There is nothing forcing you to buy everything at once, out of a sale. That would be incredibly foolhardy, especially if you are arguing the price point. Not to mention that you don't need a lot of the DLC included in that price point, so if you aren't willing to buy it all: don't. There is nothing stopping you from buying the base game on sale, then build on top of that over time. I did it until I caught up, my friends did it, and others have too. Do YOU always buy a new game and all it's DLC in one go?
So my reasoning for the game being worth it isn't valid but yours is because...?
What happens is someone buys the game. Starts as Byzantium or something . gets rofl stomped every time and vents there frustration at paradox on steam reviews .kind of like we do on the forums .
What happens is someone buys the game. Starts as Byzantium or something . gets rofl stomped every time and vents there frustration at paradox on steam reviews .kind of like we do on the forums .
There have been enough attempts at constructive discourse that I can see I won't change anyone's mind, or add anything that hasn't already said in that way.
So instead:
It makes me sick to see so much greed and entitlement. You don't deserve anything for free, period. If you're sitting there crying about the cost your prioritys are f***ed.
Between free updates(several dlcs at the cost of an internet connection), several sales, and the fact that the game plays without any of them just fine...
Here is my rude, unrequested opinion. Quit feeling entitled to leisure activities. If you can't afford the cost, or balk at the price then you shouldn't be looking at it at all.
I don't even think about a new game(or really any pleasurable expenditure) unless my bills are paid and my bank account is flush. You don't see me on car forums b****ing about how I can't afford a Lamborghini. I didn't work hard enough to buy one, and it's not an essential like food or water so I keep my disappointment to myself, instead of inflicting it on others, and I certainly don't go out of my way to give bad reviews. That is just trashy.
So instead:
It makes me sick to see so much greed and entitlement. You don't deserve anything for free, period. If you're sitting there crying about the cost your prioritys are f***ed.
Between free updates(several dlcs at the cost of an internet connection), several sales, and the fact that the game plays without any of them just fine...
Here is my rude, unrequested opinion. Quit feeling entitled to leisure activities. If you can't afford the cost, or balk at the price then you shouldn't be looking at it at all.
I don't even think about a new game(or really any pleasurable expenditure) unless my bills are paid and my bank account is flush. You don't see me on car forums b****ing about how I can't afford a Lamborghini. I didn't work hard enough to buy one, and it's not an essential like food or water so I keep my disappointment to myself, instead of inflicting it on others, and I certainly don't go out of my way to give bad reviews. That is just trashy.
If someone doesn't like the game they can put a negative review on it all they want with any reason and no steam admin can come and remove their review. Steam reviews are basically "I played it and I recommend/not recomment it." If you are looking for a deeper review you can check people who do it professionally.
To be fair, moderation of reviews doesn't necessarily mean moderation from the publisher.
A year or so ago I pointed this out and suggested they release the older DLC for free. I was immediately called a communist and accused of wanting free stuff
<----- yup I want free stuff and certainly never buy any dlc on release to support my favorite devs..... *Sarcasm*
<----- yup I want free stuff and certainly never buy any dlc on release to support my favorite devs..... *Sarcasm*
I only have one issue with Paradox's DLC policy, which other people have mentioned here, but I'll add my voice to.
Why doesn't the base game and old DLCs become permanently cheaper once they've been out long enough? It ends up creating a ridiculously high paywall for anyone new. If I had someone interested in the game, I'd have to recommend waiting for a sale, then buying the game and a specific handful of DLC. I don't see why the base game is still the same price it always was and you get none of the extra stuff that's gone into it in the last few years.
This said, I'm someone who generally keeps up with the DLC. Think I've bought everyone except Mare Nostrum and Rights of Man on release (the latter moreso because I'd missed a DLC than because I didn't like what RoM gave - ended up picking the former up when it was on sale). I doubt I'll be buying Third Rome on release though - seems a lot for what it offers, at least at this point in time.
Why doesn't the base game and old DLCs become permanently cheaper once they've been out long enough? It ends up creating a ridiculously high paywall for anyone new. If I had someone interested in the game, I'd have to recommend waiting for a sale, then buying the game and a specific handful of DLC. I don't see why the base game is still the same price it always was and you get none of the extra stuff that's gone into it in the last few years.
This said, I'm someone who generally keeps up with the DLC. Think I've bought everyone except Mare Nostrum and Rights of Man on release (the latter moreso because I'd missed a DLC than because I didn't like what RoM gave - ended up picking the former up when it was on sale). I doubt I'll be buying Third Rome on release though - seems a lot for what it offers, at least at this point in time.
Pretty much all recent strategy games I've played the steam forum for it is just a cess-pit of trolls and bitter, entitled cheapskates venting their anger through the review system and unfairly trashing good products.
Stems reviews have become worthless due to the toxic community best to ignore them these days.
Stems reviews have become worthless due to the toxic community best to ignore them these days.