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The same thing actually works for the Byzantine empire for CK2 and EU4!

No, the Ottomans are kinda viable in Vic2 whereas the BYzzies are as good as dead in 1444.
 
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The same thing actually works for the Byzantine empire for CK2 and EU4!
Maybe, but I guess this one would be more appropriate for the second picture:) :
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Ottomans still have more than half of their empire intact in Vicky2 (which starts falling apart fast), and can be resurrected into a major superpower with effort and time.

ERE in EU4 requires lots of restarts and luck to even survive a decade.
 
I didn't make this, but it's good enough to revive the thread with.
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The "Multiculturalism" line points to the wrong idea.
 
I gasped. Then laughed. Then gasped again :D