EU4 - Formable Suggestion Megathread

[XxNovaStarxX]

Formable Nations Megathread

Hey everyone, I know a lot of people have been suggesting more form able tags for EU4 so I wanted to make a mega thread to compile them all In a megathread. Here is my personal suggestion.

Kitara - Formable by any nation in the great lakes culture group.

Requirements - Own Bunyoro (4065), Buganda (4064), Nkoma (4070,) Nduga (4067), Buzinza (4061)

Gains permanent claim on all dark green provinces
Gains all pale green provinces.
Gains core on all lime green provinces

(Also maybe make the ai more likely to colonize)

So what suggestions do you have.

 

[PurpulaPhoenixum53]

For the french translation, they used as a name for Funj (or the Sultanate of Sennar), Nubia.....

Hmmm, interesting. I didn't know that. Maybe the devs thought about adding Nubia, but couldn't find a good reason for it. So they went the roundabout way to add to the game.

 

[PurpulaPhoenixum53]

Nubia is not really a thing... it's complicated because modern sources uses nubia anachronistically when talking about the land south of ancient egypt but the word nubia originates in medieval times, the word nubian directly comes from the noba people who settled in parts of sudan after the collapse of the kingdom of meroe (a kushite kingdom). SO while there is a degree of continuity kush/meroe -> nubia this is through dispersion and assimilation of kushite culture among the new noba population. So the concept of nubia is really vague and actual nubian were just the people associated with the nobiin kingdom in the far north of nubia

Agreed. Hence a formable Kush that stands in for Nubia.

 

[rus-chel]

guy with assyrian mod, please come here and say it can be found in steam workshop (as i can't find it)

 

[AirikrStrife]

guy with assyrian mod, please come here and say it can be found in steam workshop (as i can't find it)

it's a suggestion, the pictures are form an old mod I made but don't have anymore, some other modders incorporated parts of that in their own mods, but it lakcs the additional assyria content such as mission tree and unique religion AFAIK

@Aramenian schanges in the caucasus mods would be the best options for playing assyrians, without going for an overhaul mod, some which have assyrians in them

 

[Bandua_of_Gallaecia]

No, Spain makes sense during the game's time frame

But not the Spain we have right now.
It makes no sense for Portugal to form Spain, ditch its own coat of arms and adopt Castile's, Leon's, Aragon's and Sicily's coat of arms instead, as well as changing their colour to yellow, their unit models to the Castilian ones and get Spanish flavoured events and national ideas.
Ideally there would be two Spain tags.

 

[XxNovaStarxX]

I think hindu nations in Indonesia should get their own form-able, Nusantara maybe?

 

[nyetflix]

Nubia is not really a thing... it's complicated because modern sources uses nubia anachronistically when talking about the land south of ancient egypt but the word nubia originates in medieval times, the word nubian directly comes from the noba people who settled in parts of sudan after the collapse of the kingdom of meroe (a kushite kingdom). SO while there is a degree of continuity kush/meroe -> nubia this is through dispersion and assimilation of kushite culture among the new noba population. So the concept of nubia is really vague and actual nubian were just the people associated with the nobiin kingdom in the far north of nubia

All three kingdoms primarily spoke Nubian languages, although Alodia was probably the most diverse. Old Nubian was the literary language in all three and a distinct Nubian form of Christianity was the prevailing or high prestige religion in all three. The modern distribution of Nubians being only in the north is because the other parts have been arabized, especially the south which is by far the most populous and economically active, while the northern parts are desertified. Yes, there probably wasn't any connection made to Kush, but I do think there was an idea of a "Nubia" or an equivalent.

 

[Mr.Grizzly]

But not the Spain we have right now.
It makes no sense for Portugal to form Spain, ditch its own coat of arms and adopt Castile's, Leon's, Aragon's and Sicily's coat of arms instead, as well as changing their colour to yellow, their unit models to the Castilian ones and get Spanish flavoured events and national ideas.
Ideally there would be two Spain tags.

Of course, the Spain we have now focuses on the historical one obviously, but I don't see the need to make a second Spain tag just for Portugal, I would tweak the current Spain to fit Portugal better. Regarding Castile being the more influential kingdom in a Portuguese Spain, it makes sense, it was the largest kingdom on the peninsula, even without Leon, it'd be like Scotland forming Great Britain, English would still dominate the new kingdom since Scotland lacks the development compared to England. And some might call for Lusitania, but that hasn't existed for over 1000 years for EU IV start, it was an old Roman province, not a country, unless we're talking about the Lusitani tribes but even then it wasn't a unified country of sorts. Portugalicia is a tag I could maybe get behind but that's a little too much out of the game's scope. So the way I view it is regardless of how Portugal takes over Iberia, be it through union or conquest, the central position and dominance on the region that the Kingdom of Castile had was going to carry over into a Portuguese Spain no matter what, try telling people in Catalonia or even the Balearic Islands to follow some guy who reigns in Lisbon, I don't see it going to well. I understand from a current day Portuguese point of view that it might not be the most likeable option, but given the historical time frame and situation of the Iberian Peninsula, Portugal, if they choose to dominate Iberia, should seek to form Spain.

 

[Bandua_of_Gallaecia]

Of course, the Spain we have now focuses on the historical one obviously, but I don't see the need to make a second Spain tag just for Portugal, I would tweak the current Spain to fit Portugal better. Regarding Castile being the more influential kingdom in a Portuguese Spain, it makes sense, it was the largest kingdom on the peninsula, even without Leon, it'd be like Scotland forming Great Britain, English would still dominate the new kingdom since Scotland lacks the development compared to England. And some might call for Lusitania, but that hasn't existed for over 1000 years for EU IV start, it was an old Roman province, not a country, unless we're talking about the Lusitani tribes but even then it wasn't a unified country of sorts. Portugalicia is a tag I could maybe get behind but that's a little too much out of the game's scope. So the way I view it is regardless of how Portugal takes over Iberia, be it through union or conquest, the central position and dominance on the region that the Kingdom of Castile had was going to carry over into a Portuguese Spain no matter what, try telling people in Catalonia or even the Balearic Islands to follow some guy who reigns in Lisbon, I don't see it going to well. I understand from a current day Portuguese point of view that it might not be the most likeable option, but given the historical time frame and situation of the Iberian Peninsula, Portugal, if they choose to dominate Iberia, should seek to form Spain.

Not saying a Portugal formed Spain would necessarily be culturally dominated by Portugal, indeed Castille and its much larger population would definitely still take the dominant role inside the penisula just like they did with Aragon.
With that being said, i still think that Portugal would still hold a higher degree of cultural influence over this Spain than Aragon did.
The trastamara dynasty of Spain was a Castillian dynasty spread into Aragon, Both Isabella and Ferdinand were the descendants of the king of Castille, Aragon was by all accounts the junior partner of that union.

A Spain formed by Portugal would imply a Portuguese dynasty, or a military conquest in which Portugal successfully subjugates Castile (implausible in real life but this is alt-history anyway) either way, Portugal would be the dominant senior partner in this union and thus hold far more political power than Aragon ever did.
Then there is also the fact that this game doesn't accurately portray the balance of Power in Iberia, in reality Portugal was significantly more populated than Aragon and arguably military and navaly stronger (although this is very hard to measure) and the Portuguese were considerably less sympathetic towards Castilians (there were over 5 wars between the two countries in the previous century alone) to simply roll over and acknowledge Castilian hegemony.

A few things would be different (maybe the Capital would be moved to Salamanca, being neither Castilian or Portuguese instead of Madrid) but I don't want to get too much into the specifics and speculation. But one that would undoubtedly be different is the flag. There is no way the Spanish flag wouldn't include the Portuguese coat of Arms.

Also, your example about Catalonia and Baleares could be a bit better since a Portugal formed Spain would only need to unite Portugal and Castile, Aragon would become the new "smaller Iberian country".

With that being said it's understandable that they wouldn't want to create a new Tag just so Portugal can get his symbol on the Spanish flag, I really don't stress too much about it either (i always play Tall as Portugal, i only bother conquering Galicia from Spain) so i would agree with you that changing the current Spain to make it more generically "Iberian" would be the best choice (maybe using the burgundian cross instead of their current flag would work, afterall the first Portuguese dynasty was of Burgundy).

With that said, Portugalicia is completely unnecessary since the "Gal" in Portugal already references Galician heritage and if Portugal siezed Galicia, Galicia would easily be integrated as a core part of Portugal, no big changes would happen.

I am also heavily against the use of Lusitania as a Portuguese Iberia, for the reasons you mentioned and becauses it triggeres me when Portugal larps as Lusitania while ignoring the Gallaecian part.

 

[Mr.Grizzly]

Not saying a Portugal formed Spain would necessarily be culturally dominated by Portugal, indeed Castille and its much larger population would definitely still take the dominant role inside the penisula just like they did with Aragon.
With that being said, i still think that Portugal would still hold a higher degree of cultural influence over this Spain than Aragon did.
The trastamara dynasty of Spain was a Castillian dynasty spread into Aragon, Both Isabella and Ferdinand were the descendants of the king of Castille, Aragon was by all accounts the junior partner of that union.

Absolutely, I wasn't trying to say that Portugal would be the most inferior of the, I guess it would be if all three united, three Crowns of Portugal, Castile and Aragon.

A Spain formed by Portugal would imply a Portuguese dynasty, or a military conquest in which Portugal successfully subjugates Castile (implausible in real life but this is alt-history anyway) either way, Portugal would be the dominant senior partner in this union and thus hold far more political power than Aragon ever did.
Then there is also the fact that this game doesn't accurately portray the balance of Power in Iberia, in reality Portugal was significantly more populated than Aragon and arguably military and navaly stronger (although this is very hard to measure) and the Portuguese were considerably less sympathetic towards Castilians (there were over 5 wars between the two countries in the previous century alone) to simply roll over and acknowledge Castilian hegemony.

Yep, Portugal's military is overlooked too much in game, even the new ideas still lack the military punch that Portugal could provide, I've also been very critical of Portugal and Castile being "Historical Friends" in-game despite the fact that they went to war with each other 8 times during EU IV's time frame.

A few things would be different (maybe the Capital would be moved to Salamanca, being neither Castilian or Portuguese instead of Madrid) but I don't want to get too much into the specifics and speculation. But one that would undoubtedly be different is the flag. There is no way the Spanish flag wouldn't include the Portuguese coat of Arms.

It's possible but of course we'll never know, honestly I think it would be cool if the new Spanish capital event was changed and more options were given, depending on what territories you had. I still do think that Madrid would be very tempting for a Spain that controls all of Iberia and the Balearic Islands and Macaronesia, but alas. And absolutely Portugal's CoA would be in the flag, the problem is there is no Spanish flag to use that had Portugal included in it, except for the one used during the Iberian Union period but that flag includes many other CoA that might not be a part of the country, such as Austria and Naples. So we're kind of stuck with the Cross of Burgundy, but that's another specific incident flag and Burgundy already uses it, though they could be changed to their proper CoA. So we're kind of stuck, we could make a more neutral flag, maybe you take the current flag and remove all the CoA but that flag wasn't designed until near the end game and it's very much tied to modern day Spain which modern day Portugal might not be too fond of being similar to. The flag really is the big problem with Spain for Portugal, or any other Iberian minor that somehow breaks free and forms Spain. So I get wanting to change it, and I would love to hear some of your ideas on what flag would work best, but I fear it might have to be a fictional one which I'm not too keen on.

Also, your example about Catalonia and Baleares could be a bit better since a Portugal formed Spain would only need to unite Portugal and Castile, Aragon would become the new "smaller Iberian country".

Not unless this new Spain went on and integrated the Crown of Aragon into Super Spain! But yeah I do see what you mean, I was just giving an example for if a Spain had all of Iberia.

With that said, Portugalicia is completely unnecessary since the "Gal" in Portugal already references Galician heritage and if Portugal siezed Galicia, Galicia would easily be integrated as a core part of Portugal, no big changes would happen.

I was not aware of that, thank you for pointing that out! I've only really seen the surface of that idea/belief.

I am also heavily against the use of Lusitania as a Portuguese Iberia, for the reasons you mentioned and becauses it triggeres me when Portugal larps as Lusitania while ignoring the Gallaecian part.

I'm more against it just due to the fact it wasn't a country, it was essentially barbarians, parts of Leon seem to be considered part of Lusitania so it's not exclusively Portuguese, and overall I think it's a bit silly.

So at the end of the day, the big problem really is that bloody flag! I blame it all on Spain, which in my opinion, has had some pretty bad looking flags over the years, the only flags I like are the old CoA ones from the Crowns of Castile and Aragon and some of the minor states that weren't incorporated into their respective Crown's flag.

 

[rus-chel]

Another idea -
Embrace Afri(c)kaner identity
Is dutch, flemish, english or (north?) german, have less than X provinces in non-south africa areas, have at least 5 provinces in south africa -
change culture to afri(c)kaner, change captial to the random SA prov, give it 1/1/1 dev, change tag to SAF.
proposed ideas - tradiitons (+15 settlers/+1 enemy attrition), +10% goods produced, +10% manpower and recovery speed, +1 tolerance to true faith, scaled bonuses to farvor/church power/papal influnence, +1 trader, -15% fire damged taken, +1 diplo relations and -1 unrest. Finisher - +10% taxes.

 

[Bandua_of_Gallaecia]

Absolutely, I wasn't trying to say that Portugal would be the most inferior of the, I guess it would be if all three united, three Crowns of Portugal, Castile and Aragon.



Yep, Portugal's military is overlooked too much in game, even the new ideas still lack the military punch that Portugal could provide, I've also been very critical of Portugal and Castile being "Historical Friends" in-game despite the fact that they went to war with each other 8 times during EU IV's time frame.



It's possible but of course we'll never know, honestly I think it would be cool if the new Spanish capital event was changed and more options were given, depending on what territories you had. I still do think that Madrid would be very tempting for a Spain that controls all of Iberia and the Balearic Islands and Macaronesia, but alas. And absolutely Portugal's CoA would be in the flag, the problem is there is no Spanish flag to use that had Portugal included in it, except for the one used during the Iberian Union period but that flag includes many other CoA that might not be a part of the country, such as Austria and Naples. So we're kind of stuck with the Cross of Burgundy, but that's another specific incident flag and Burgundy already uses it, though they could be changed to their proper CoA. So we're kind of stuck, we could make a more neutral flag, maybe you take the current flag and remove all the CoA but that flag wasn't designed until near the end game and it's very much tied to modern day Spain which modern day Portugal might not be too fond of being similar to. The flag really is the big problem with Spain for Portugal, or any other Iberian minor that somehow breaks free and forms Spain. So I get wanting to change it, and I would love to hear some of your ideas on what flag would work best, but I fear it might have to be a fictional one which I'm not too keen on.



Not unless this new Spain went on and integrated the Crown of Aragon into Super Spain! But yeah I do see what you mean, I was just giving an example for if a Spain had all of Iberia.



I was not aware of that, thank you for pointing that out! I've only really seen the surface of that idea/belief.



I'm more against it just due to the fact it wasn't a country, it was essentially barbarians, parts of Leon seem to be considered part of Lusitania so it's not exclusively Portuguese, and overall I think it's a bit silly.

So at the end of the day, the big problem really is that bloody flag! I blame it all on Spain, which in my opinion, has had some pretty bad looking flags over the years, the only flags I like are the old CoA ones from the Crowns of Castile and Aragon and some of the minor states that weren't incorporated into their respective Crown's flag.

Well.
I only see two options.
Change the current Spain so they have the cross of burgundy flag, which like you said, is also an entire can of worms on itself.
Create two Spains, the current / historical Spain. And a new "Spain" which would require all of Iberia and would have a fictional flag (afterall it would be an alt-history tag) including the Portuguese coat of arms and and a bit more Portuguese flavour overall (a greener tint of Yellow perhaps?).
This new "Spain" tag would be the actual Iberian cultural union tag and would also serve as the logical conclusion to an Iberian Union that didn't break appart in 1640 but instead integrated into a single country, maybe it could be called Iberian Union to be easier to differentiate the tags.
Your thoughts?

 

[Mr.Grizzly]

Well.
I only see two options.
Change the current Spain so they have the cross of burgundy flag, which like you said, is also an entire can of worms on itself.
Create two Spains, the current / historical Spain. And a new "Spain" which would require all of Iberia and would have a fictional flag (afterall it would be an alt-history tag) including the Portuguese coat of arms and and a bit more Portuguese flavour overall (a greener tint of Yellow perhaps?).
This new "Spain" tag would be the actual Iberian cultural union tag and would also serve as the logical conclusion to an Iberian Union that didn't break appart in 1640 but instead integrated into a single country, maybe it could be called Iberian Union to be easier to differentiate the tags.
Your thoughts?

While giving Spain the Cross of Burgundy would help, considering that Burgundy uses it already it would complicate things, I know that there's many flags that look almost identical in game so it wouldn't be too different, but I would prefer 2 countries not having the exact same flag, and, this is just a personal thing, but not giving Burgundy it's flag while giving it to someone else who isn't guaranteed to inherit Burgundian land just rubs me the wrong way, overall just a tricky situation.

I'm still not fully sold on the idea of an Iberian Union tag since during the time frame of the game, Portugal would probably proclaim themselves as Spain and not Iberia, but I get where you're coming from. Personally I still lean towards modifying the Spain tag but no matter what you do it's going to cause some disagreements.

If we were going to take the second tag path, I would just keep the name Iberia, due to personal preference and Iberian Union is a name we give to that period of Iberian history, it wasn't an official country name since it was a union between the kingdoms. I would have the flag/coat of arm to have at least the coat of arms of the Crown of Castile, Crown of Aragon and Crown of Portugal (Essentially with a united merger of all Iberian states I picture the idea of promoting Portugal to a crown by incorporating Galicia, just a personal thing, their coat of arms would be a quartered shield, split between Portugal and Galicia, similar to Castile incorporating Leon), the flag would be quartered, the top left would be the Crown of Castile, top right Crown of Aragon, bottom left Crown of Portugal, and bottom right Crown of Castile, I have Castile twice to show their dominance in the union being the largest of the three Crowns, alternatively you could have Navarre in the bottom right since it never became part of any Crowns, either one works for me. Regarding colour of the country, got no idea, personally I wish Portugal was blue since the green didn't come until after EU IV, problem is if you mix the colours of yellow (Castile), red (Aragon and blue (Portugal) it makes white/grey which I'm not a fan of. You could maybe keep the dominant yellow but have it darker, representing a dominant Castile still but with the darker elements from the other two? It's hard to pick a colour for them.

 

[moscal]

Anasazi
Background: Ancensors Pueblo and others tribes of Sonora. After modernization local tribes could recreate an ancient heritage that would be more glorious.
Conditions:

• Culture group: Sonoran
• Own and core: 2493, 4634, 879, 2492, 2494, 2495, 881
• Have institution: Renaissance
• Have gov. type: NOT tribe

Resuolts:

• If duchy - upgrade to kingdom
• Gain 25 prestige
• Gain event modifier "Increased Centralization"
• Permanent claims on north California
• Capital get +1/+1/+1 DEV

Other things

• Unlock decision "Archaeological research on Anasazi relic" - can get monarch points, prestige or tech. bonuses
• Unlock gov. reforms "Promote live in longhouses" (lesser state maintenance, lesser costs of buildings), "Communal agriculture" (reduction of LA, higher production)
• Events "Low popularity of horses" (maluses on CA and production), "Christianity miracles?" (chances on convert random province to catholicism)

 

[rus-chel]

Another idea -
Philipines in 2 variations
1)locals form it (key provinces needed, new tag, 1/1/1 extra dev, permaclaims for all archipelago)
2)new mission from spanish tree - as Spain complete Las Islas Fillipinas, have a trade center in islands of lvl 2, have colonial subjects of mexico, columbia and peru. All owned provinces are ceded to newly formed vassal, all non-colonized provinces in archipelago are automaticly colonized to vassal. Vassal is transfomed into colonial nation (as normal vassal won't represent Spanish Philipines, colonial vassal only for Spain WITHOUT new colonial region).

 

[EasternTiger]

Anasazi
Background: Ancensors Pueblo and others tribes of Sonora. After modernization local tribes could recreate an ancient heritage that would be more glorious.
Conditions:

• Culture group: Sonoran
• Own and core: 2493, 4634, 879, 2492, 2494, 2495, 881
• Have institution: Renaissance
• Have gov. type: NOT tribe

Resuolts:

• If duchy - upgrade to kingdom
• Gain 25 prestige
• Gain event modifier "Increased Centralization"
• Permanent claims on north California
• Capital get +1/+1/+1 DEV

Other things

• Unlock decision "Archaeological research on Anasazi relic" - can get monarch points, prestige or tech. bonuses
• Unlock gov. reforms "Promote live in longhouses" (lesser state maintenance, lesser costs of buildings), "Communal agriculture" (reduction of LA, higher production)
• Events "Low popularity of horses" (maluses on CA and production), "Christianity miracles?" (chances on convert random province to catholicism)

There's a reason why Puebloans don't like being called Anasazi. Anasazi is a Navajo exonym that means "ancient enemy". Honestly, Pueblo would be a better term (even though it has Spanish origins, ) as it lacks a negative connotation.

 

[moscal]

There's a reason why Puebloans don't like being called Anasazi. Anasazi is a Navajo exonym that means "ancient enemy". Honestly, Pueblo would be a better term (even though it has Spanish origins, ) as it lacks a negative connotation.

Thanks, for info.

Pueblo tribe is in game I give "Anasazi" because lack of another names.

 

[Bandua_of_Gallaecia]

While giving Spain the Cross of Burgundy would help, considering that Burgundy uses it already it would complicate things, I know that there's many flags that look almost identical in game so it wouldn't be too different, but I would prefer 2 countries not having the exact same flag, and, this is just a personal thing, but not giving Burgundy it's flag while giving it to someone else who isn't guaranteed to inherit Burgundian land just rubs me the wrong way, overall just a tricky situation

Yeah... Gotta have to agree with you there.

I'm still not fully sold on the idea of an Iberian Union tag since during the time frame of the game, Portugal would probably proclaim themselves as Spain and not Iberia, but I get where you're coming from. Personally I still lean towards modifying the Spain tag but no matter what you do it's going to cause some disagreements.

Maybe because we are looking at it from a 1444 perspective.
Sure, if the Iberian kingdoms were united under the crown of Portugal instead of Castile, the resulting country would still be called Spain, however what are the odds of this happening in game?
When talking of Portugal getting its Iberian tag it is far more likely that this tag would appear somewhere after the 1700's when Spain has already been formed by Castile. In this situation it would make sense for Portugal to form Iberia since Castile has already "hijacked" Spain.

If we were going to take the second tag path, I would just keep the name Iberia, due to personal preference and Iberian Union is a name we give to that period of Iberian history, it wasn't an official country name since it was a union between the kingdoms. I would have the flag/coat of arm to have at least the coat of arms of the Crown of Castile, Crown of Aragon and Crown of Portugal (Essentially with a united merger of all Iberian states I picture the idea of promoting Portugal to a crown by incorporating Galicia, just a personal thing, their coat of arms would be a quartered shield, split between Portugal and Galicia, similar to Castile incorporating Leon), the flag would be quartered, the top left would be the Crown of Castile, top right Crown of Aragon, bottom left Crown of Portugal, and bottom right Crown of Castile, I have Castile twice to show their dominance in the union being the largest of the three Crowns, alternatively you could have Navarre in the bottom right since it never became part of any Crowns, either one works for me.

I like both suggestions.

Regarding colour of the country, got no idea, personally I wish Portugal was blue since the green didn't come until after EU IV, p

Oh i definitely wish Portugal was blue as well.
I don't understand why they keep making it Green or Red in CK and EU games, it makes no sense to me.

problem is if you mix the colours of yellow (Castile), red (Aragon and blue (Portugal) it makes white/grey which I'm not a fan of. You could maybe keep the dominant yellow but have it darker, representing a dominant Castile still but with the darker elements from the other two? It's hard to pick a colour for them.

Like Portugal should be blue, Castile should be Red, and Aragon should be Yellow
But going by their in-game colours i would merge the Portuguese green with the Spanish yellow for a "Lime" looking colour, sort of like this:

 

[Mr.Grizzly]

Maybe because we are looking at it from a 1444 perspective.
Sure, if the Iberian kingdoms were united under the crown of Portugal instead of Castile, the resulting country would still be called Spain, however what are the odds of this happening in game?
When talking of Portugal getting its Iberian tag it is far more likely that this tag would appear somewhere after the 1700's when Spain has already been formed by Castile. In this situation it would make sense for Portugal to form Iberia since Castile has already "hijacked" Spain.

While true, personally I want to see the decision to form Spain be pushed back in the game, considering the Crowns of Castile and Aragon were not fully unified into Spain until the Nueva Planta Decrees, making the Kingdom of Spain not an actual country until 1715, which is admin tech 24 in-game, I do think admin tech 20 would be fine in-game, even if it would mean a Spain could be formed 54 years earlier then historically. And this isn't just a Spanish thing, I would love to see Great Britain pushed back to admin 20 as well to fit more with the historical foundation in 1707. I find the idea of pushing back the large formables that become the modern states of today to be better, it wasn't like Castile and Aragon or England and Scotland were united for 50 years in-game and decided, "Yep, I'm Spanish or British now", there would still be some indepedence movements running around, be it from nationalist ideals or by a monarchic claim to a throne. It also makes gameplay more interesting with having more nations on the map and more variety of units, the possibility of a subject rising and choosing a different path then what happened historically. So for me, Spain itself should be a admin tech 20 tag, since I think anything past tech 20 would be pushing it, except maybe Germany and Italy to tech 25 but even then I find it might be a bit too hard and remove playability of those countries with such little time to play them. Regardless, I do think Spain should be a mid-late game tag for any Iberian country so I don't see the issue with Portugal not forming it until later in the game, I just see Spain being able to form in 1531 in EU IV to be quite silly.

Like Portugal should be blue, Castile should be Red, and Aragon should be Yellow
But going by their in-game colours i would merge the Portuguese green with the Spanish yellow for a "Lime" looking colour, sort of like this:

That could work nicely, I kind of like it, also I never thought about Castile being red but I guess it makes sense considering the Kingdom of Castile's coat of arm, damn, now I want Castile to be red and Aragon to be yellow lol.

 

[Bandua_of_Gallaecia]

I would love to see Great Britain pushed back to admin 20 as well to fit more with the historical foundation in 1707

now I want Castile to be red and Aragon to be yellow lol.

Guess who's making a mod once 1.30 comes out?

Speaking of delaying things, i would also like seeing the unlocking of national ideas being delayed. At this point the player can easily fully unlock their ideas by 1530, its expecially egregious since some ideas are clearly meant to represent 18th and maybe even 19th century events.
The unlocking should be something gradual that would define the progression of their country across history, early gane powers would have powerful early ideas and late game powers would have powerful final ideas. You should only be able to finish your National ideas in the early 18th century imo.