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EU4 - Development Diary - 5th of March 2019

Good morning. As was foretold, I am back to talk about our thoughts on overhauling the map of the Balkans for the big end-of-year European update. Once again I’ll begin with a disclaimer that everything here is very much subject to change as we continue to listen to feedback and iterate on our own ideas throughout the year.

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Behold: the Balkans in patch 1.4. And for reference, here are the Balkans as they are now, in patch 1.28:

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The big change here is simply “more provinces”. Albania has been split up substantially, we have more Aegean Islands, and provinces density in Bulgaria is higher.

There is still, in my opinion, plenty of room for new provinces in Greece and Bulgaria. For the mainland we want to achieve a similar level of density as we see in Anatolia. One of the most obvious things we can do is split the Yanya province by adding Arta, one of the last Epirote cities to fall to the Ottomans. The return of the Epirus tag in 1444 heralds another change: the removal of the Corfu tag, at least in 1444. In the game right now, Corfu is a vassal of Venice and ruled by monarchs who were in fact the independent rulers of the Despotate of Epirus. This will change.

Other possibilities include a province that would more accurately reflect the Ottoman-Moldavian border in Silistria/Basarabia, a further split in the Aegean between Scio and Lesbos, and a separate province centered on the city of Tarnovo in Bulgaria.

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This suggestion by Mingmung, and others very much like it, show a step in the right direction. Beyond what I’ve already mentioned, I like the idea of splitting Cephalonia from the Corfu province to add a little tactical depth to Epirus, as well as the addition of Corinth in the south. We are however unlikely to add extra provinces on Cyprus or Crete: outside of very large islands like Sardinia and Sicily we prefer to keep such places restrained to single provinces.

Moving north-west, there’s a lot that could be done in Serbia, Bosnia, and the Dalmatian coast. There’s room for a few more provinces of course, though not quite so many as we might need further south.

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This very aesthetically pleasing suggestion by ootats has a lot going for it. Representing Herzegovina/the Duchy of Saint Sava as a Bosnian vassal in 1444 is an interesting possibility. It also puts the province density on a level similar to that of Hungary, which I feel is a good target to aim for in the region. It is however unlikely that we’ll be adding both the Venetian provinces of Scutari and Cataro.

We’ve been reading your comments on the previous dev diary, and they’ve provoked a lot of discussion on Team Content Design. One of the results of these discussions is that we’re more open to a Como province that would split away from the northern part of what is now Milan. When the time comes for implementation it's certainly something we're willing to try out.

And that's all for today! Next week I invite you to join me on a wild ride through the confusing nightmarish mess that was Early Modern Germany. Until then, I look forward to more of your comments and suggestions.
 
I just hope they've taken a look at more conservative maps, too, as they show alternate solutions for things like Macedonia/Mesembria.

Anyway, Burgas should be gone.
 
Do you consider adding Slovenian culture and the Count of Celje as a playable tag? In 1444 they were still independent princes of the empire, their rank being equal to the one of the Habsburgs'. They were quite influential at their time, with Barbara of Celje being the wife of Sigismund of Luxembourg and them meddling in the HRE and Hungarian politics, the last count even acted as a regent to Ladislaus the Posthumous. They held territories in Slovenia (Celje amongst other holdings) and Croatia ( City of Varasd) and had claims on the crown of Bosnia. At the time, they were one of the biggrlesr rivals of the Habsburgs and I believe they could be an interesting playthrough and achievements
 
What about Slovenian culture? Will it be added?

(Minor sugestion: Change name of 'South Slavic' culture group to 'Balkan')

This doesn't make sense to me. If we don't change groups, then all but Albanians are South Slavs. If we add Greece... That addition makes no sense.
 
This doesn't make sense to me. If we don't change groups, then all but Albanians are South Slavs. If we add Greece... That addition makes no sense.

I mean, only change the name.
 
So how will Core-Fu work? :p

When we make these kinds of changes we don't design around achievements. But one possibility is that we keep Corfu's core on Corfu so that it can be released immediately by Venice.

Pls add the Latin Empire as a formable nation

Very unlikely. There a possibility we might do something with the concept but I don't like it as a tag.

Also, i would like to ask about your thought regarding addition of Croatia as a junior partner in the personal union with Hungary which would be historically accurate.

I think having Croatia on the map in 1444 is desirable. At the very least we'll try it out in early implementation and see how it goes.

Why would you guys do something so controversial yet so brave

We've all collectively gone insane.

Do you consider adding Slovenian culture and the Count of Celje as a playable tag? In 1444 they were still independent princes of the empire, their rank being equal to the one of the Habsburgs'. They were quite influential at their time, with Barbara of Celje being the wife of Sigismund of Luxembourg and them meddling in the HRE and Hungarian politics, the last count even acted as a regent to Ladislaus the Posthumous. They held territories in Slovenia (Celje amongst other holdings) and Croatia ( City of Varasd) and had claims on the crown of Bosnia. At the time, they were one of the biggrlesr rivals of the Habsburgs and I believe they could be an interesting playthrough and achievements

This is certainly something we're thinking about. No promises yet but it's a distinct possibility that we'll see some sort of Slovenian presence in the European update.
 
What about splitting 33 into Athens and Corinth? Also Albania could use one more cut in that same map.

Would impassable terrain be added into Greece and southern Bulgaria?
 
Very unlikely. There a possibility we might do something with the concept but I don't like it as a tag.

Perhaps as a something of a mix between the Ilkhanate and Jerusalem if the Catholics manage to seize Constantinople, as in that it will be released (either as an independent state or a vassal), but only during the Ages of Discovery and Reformation.

While we're at it, you should also take a look at the Pope. The IRL pontifex didn't give out excommunications like candy.
 
We’ve been reading your comments on the previous dev diary, and they’ve provoked a lot of discussion on Team Content Design. One of the results of these discussions is that we’re more open to a Como province that would split away from the northern part of what is now Milan. When the time comes for implementation it's certainly something we're willing to try out.

Maybe it would be more interesting to add a Ticino province instead, owned by Milan but claimed by Switzerland (like Vaud and Valais). This would give an incentive for Switzerland to participate in the Italian Wars that eventually happen in this region during the Renaissance.
 
Perhaps as a something of a mix between the Ilkhanate and Jerusalem if the Catholics manage to seize Constantinople, as in that it will be released (either as an independent state or a vassal), but only during the Ages of Discovery and Reformation.

While we're at it, you should also take a look at the Pope. The IRL pontifex didn't give out excommunications like candy.
Or formable for Corfu, Naxos, Venice and releasable for all catholics
 
How about an decision similiar to the one the ottomans have wheb they’ve conquerd Constantinopel, if a Christian nation conquers constantinople they get an desicion ‘which charges the culture of constantinople to Greek And the religion to orthodox
 
I think you should rethink about Cattaro and a possible split of Dalmatia and Lika.
Friuli-Istria coulb be also a interesting place to work.



And ofc, it's ugly to see Spain every game castilian/andalusian while all other regional cultures dissappear, when the only one that should do is andalusian.
 
Albania have more core. Kosovo are albanian not serbs. And albanian are not 'South Slavic'
Albania never owned Kosovo, so there is no reason to add it's core there. Also, during EU IV timeline, Albanians were not ethnic majority in Kosovo, even first demographic statistics from the 1887 census in Kosovo Vilayet shows that Albanians were just a minority.

And adding a new culture group just for Albanians would be nonsense from the gameplay point of view even though i agree that they have notthing to do with South Slavs.
 
Albania have more core. Kosovo are albanian not serbs. And albanian are not 'South Slavic'
Falsifying history. One of the greatest plagues of modern world.