EU4 - Development Diary - 2nd of June 2020

EU4 - Development Diary - 2nd of June 2020

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Still no CB for european countries to force-convert Hussite Bohemia back to normal. Almost a century before the reformation, no one would allow this. All you need is a CB with a discount for force-conversion and a large hit to Bohemian relations in the HRE.
 

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there should be an incident if bohemia choses to be hussite, where you have to chose if you will accept that or make a diplomatic penalty by removing him as an elector or a CB for every neigbhour to change their religion that last for maybe 20 Years. ( I wrote smth like that in the dev diary. Bohemia is one of the biggest nations and there should be def. be something like that!) There should also be an incident or eventchain if bohemia got PUed later by Austria! (and a seperate one if he has converted to hussites)

I love all the changes, and reworks. But the imperial incidents are for me just to few to really do a big part.... I really hope they add more in the next free patch (or more country specific events, as it feels that there are not that many [1 that was shown for the whole italian wars seems so bland again] or the missed out bosnian mission tree or the strange short missiontree for bishop electors)
 
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Am reposting because I think the first time it got lost among the many posts of the frist day

Question. I cant see if you guys fixed it so support rebels CB doesnt require you to capture the enemy capitol but the future capitol of the wanna be nation. I had reported it and I was told it was added for fixing. Cant find it in the list. I mean trying to liberate Zaporozhya shouldnt require you to capture Vilnius.
 

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I remember some devdiaries promising UI scaling in the next patch. Can't see it in patchnotes. Was it dropped?

Edit: According to this
it's still coming.
 
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I think that integrating dlc content in the base game is a good idea and even more should be made free. You can't build upon stuff that is locked behind a dlc, because not everyone might have that particular dlc. I much prefer their stellaris dlc Modell. Core features are free and dlc adds stuff that builds upon that. Eg traditions and ascension perks were made free and pretty much every following dlc added their own stuff to that. Or the galactic community, that is part of the base game, but the latest dlc adds more stuff to it.

In emporer that would be like making the reworked HRE tab and the basic reforms part of the base game, but locking the centralisation/decentralisation reforms behind the dlc. Or giving the base game a few key imperial incidents like the shadow kingdom, while the dlc adds more.

If dharma's government mechanic would stay part of the dlc it would make it harder to justify adding more government reforms in a further dlc, because that content of the doc wouldn't be accessible to non-dharma owners. You also need to maintain two competing systems which is unnecessary work and I would rather see the devs refine existing content even if that means making parts of older dlc free.

For example would it really hurt to integrate some parts of art of war into the base game after it has been released for years or to permanently lower the price, instead of telling people to buy it cheaply during a sale?
I understand all of this. But that's not something I will repeat. For EU4 i will buy Emperor because I know it won't become free in the next years and I really want to play EU4 at length a lot more years, but I will not buy any more games from them now. When I was offered the game and the existing DLC (at "mare nostrum" period) I didn't like the DLC policy but it was explained to me that it was how the studios had money. I understand the need of money and I bought every dlc (not "content pack which I find ridiculous nor music packs... mods or a music player is better!) at their release date. Only GC I was so disappointed that I bought almost 1 year and a half after its release (like in march 2020 i think)... a period during which I did not touch EU4 because I was so disappointed with their lack of work. Emperor diaries made me hope for a real work thus... i'm buying it at start (well even if i will not play it until first hotfix and having finished xenoblade chronicles on my nintendo switch game console). With a colleague, we even intend to play a MP game (something I did back in 2016 when I received the game and never from that time again).

But it goes both ways : now I know that i just have to wait to get DLC content for free. It was what I did with Ck2 (I got the game for free in 2018 and got all the dlcs for 15€ in 2019 iirc) because I will never pay 150€ for a game ever again.
For EU4 I was so happy with the idea of the game that I paid for DLC (which, seen their lack of content relatively counting from "expansion-wide dlc" (like in TW3) is not something I would have done) because I supported the work and hoped they would go more and more ambitious with DLC. Like I said, I was disappointed with last dlcs (mandate made china not fun, but it was good otherwise; the "focus nation" dlc (rule britannia, third rome, Golden shit) were bad but I still bought them for "full experience" when playing those countries. Now Emperor is ambitious. Doesn't fix all the bugs I reported, so still room for improvement, but I give them the benefit of the doubt.

But I will never do this again with paradox. I received stellaris, never bought a dlc (waiting for a free or even a dlc pack like I had for CK2); HOI4 bought the game but same. CK2 ... i had the chance to get the game for free (before it was free to play ....) then a bundle with dlc which for 15€ was okay from the advice of a colleague who had paid each dlc from release.

If a EU5 goes out. I will not buy it. I will patiently wait for all the dlc content to become part of the base game. If that never happens, i'll never play it. Too bad maybe, but I have EU4 and other games. Paradox doesn't give me confidence in their "ambitions" nor "release ideas". Imperator seems to have been a mess; and other games they were publishing (not sure what it means but whatever) like City Skyline is not really fun after 5 hours (without dlc), surviving mars was okay but I played one game for 10 hours then went on other games, and battletech just didn't work correctly and I couldn't start the campaign so I asked for a refund on steam.

My hope is that this niche market find another company with more in line with my ideas about publishing games. Larian Studio, Nintendo or Cd project red would be obvious choices.

If the EU5 is not a "game in kit" maybe I will buy it, but i have 0 hope about it.

All this to say, I'm not against "what was in dlc is now in game", i'm seeing that the "dlc pieces game" approach from paradox is not working , so much that they have to go against it after some time. And since I was not for it in the first place, if they are not showing it works, I'm not anymore convinced to buy because obviously, it doesn't.

Edit: and just to be clear, sorry if much is not understandable. Thinking in another language is hard obviously and english is not my first language. Neither did I have multiple days to work the post ^^. I made a post here based on the time I had to post. That is, not multiple days of reflexions.
 
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AngelRay I think you have overstated some things (far from everything in a DLC is being made free), omitted some things (lots of free patches mean that in effect you are getting a lot of update, especially given the pretty low price of the DLC) and are generally turning it into an argument about principles rather than practicality. I don’t think anyone really disagrees that it would be better if this situation hadn’t arisen? The question is what best to do about it.

I would hope in future paradox try to avoid the need to put DLC features in the base game. I think there are some indications that they have learnt that lesson and are aware that it represents a bit of a mistake made in the past. But in the interests of making EU IV a better game for all (including those who have paid for the DLC), I think that the things they have moved into the base game have made a lot of sense.

Of course, you are free to wait until you can get a better deal on games that have been out for longer. In many ways that is sensible shopping and it is up to game makers to make you want it too much to wait. But it seems to me that this applies regardless with sales etc...
 

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AngelRay I think you have overstated some things (far from everything in a DLC is being made free), omitted some things (lots of free patches mean that in effect you are getting a lot of update, especially given the pretty low price of the DLC) and are generally turning it into an argument about principles rather than practicality. I don’t think anyone really disagrees that it would be better if this situation hadn’t arisen? The question is what best to do about it.

I would hope in future paradox try to avoid the need to put DLC features in the base game. I think there are some indications that they have learnt that lesson and are aware that it represents a bit of a mistake made in the past. But in the interests of making EU IV a better game for all (including those who have paid for the DLC), I think that the things they have moved into the base game have made a lot of sense.

Of course, you are free to wait until you can get a better deal on games that have been out for longer. In many ways that is sensible shopping and it is up to game makers to make you want it too much to wait. But it seems to me that this applies regardless with sales etc...
Exactly,the issue isn't the dlc model itself.It was just that,as other have said,EU4 had issues with the repartition between free and paid content,as other persons have mentionned,Stellaris did it very well in comparison.
 

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I remember some devdiaries promising UI scaling in the next patch. Can't see it in patchnotes. Was it dropped?

Edit: According to this
it's still coming.
No they implemented it,it was just ommited by mistake from the patch notes. Or thats what they said at least.
 

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If expelling minorities is now free... what does the third row of reforms for Spain and Portugal?
Before this DLC it was -30% minority expulsion cost
They said they changed it, we don't know to what yet, hopefully something useful and more historical. The other thing that needs to be replaced is Exploration idea 6, which is also a Expel Minority Cost reduction, hopefully something that is actually about exploring
 

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Oh, hey, if they declare war on my newly-formed colony that I just made out of their provinces, I'll get shown their capital. That's a great edge case fix. Too bad I still can't *join the war*.
Enforce peace is a thing, and getting to 100 relations is no more than a single gift away even if you don't send your diplomats to improve them...
 

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Two things jumped out at me....90% autonomy on territories? That makes almost everything useless unless "stated". Did they raise the amount of States at all? I don't remember it being mentioned. The other one is the increase in the size of the rebels in Pretender events. Not a big deal for players, but definitely another thorn for the AI....which isn't great with rebels to begin with.
Didn't they say they removed the limit on states entirely BUT provinces in states cost much more than territories against your (new administration mechanism I can't remember the name of) so you have to decide if the autonomy gain is worth the admin penalties.
 

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- Added Decline of the Hanseatic League Incident
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- Added Switzerland and the Empire Imperial Incident
- Added an incident for Burgundy joining the Empire
- The Bugdundian inheritance is now an Imperial Incident
Are these the only imperial incidents? Aren't there supposed to be more??
 
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Enforce peace is a thing, and getting to 100 relations is no more than a single gift away even if you don't send your diplomats to improve them...
Oh, so close to having a clue and yet so far.

I have a truce with the country. Because I just took territory from them. That got autoadded to my colony. Which has no truce with them. So I can't enforce peace because I have a truce.

Do you get yet why this is such an obvious and shitty bug?