EU4 - Development Diary - 29th of September 2020

EU4 - Development Diary - 29th of September 2020

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Could you maybe make Divine Idea be pickable for Feudal Theocracies? I know the game considers them to be monarchies with theocratic characteristics, but giving them an alternate idea choice would make them more unique.

Also, please reduce the penalties for swithcing government type.
 
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I know, I’m just really really interested with the Lollards. Ipevery time the event pops and I hover over embrace, it breaks my heart that it doesn’t say, “enable lollardism. England, ruler and all heirs get ‘lollardism” etc etc”

sigh I’m crap at modding in religions as well
 
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Next week I’m back to talk a lot about some important balance changes we have been doing, with galleys, marines and other important things.
I do hope Marines get a proper revamp, because at the moment they are a useless gimmick unfortunately.

Talking about important things might I interest you in adding the Order of Christ nobility estate to Portugal?

+1 Land and Naval shock
+5 Morale

-5 Trade efficiency
-10% Crown Land
- 20 absolutism.

I did a sugestion on this a while back:
 
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Horde ideas feel weak compared to Aristocratic, and here's why, with some suggestions from my thoughts:
horde_gov_ideas = {
category = MIL

bonus = {
cavalry_power = 0.25
-This is pretty solid, better than 10% from aristocratic
}

trigger = {
has_reform = steppe_horde
}

horse_lords = {
cavalry_cost = -0.33
-Better than -10% from aristocratic
}
beyond_the_sun = {
ae_impact = -0.1
-Pretty decent
}
mandate_of_the_khan = {
religious_unity = 0.25
-This becomes useless if you take humanism (which you will, because you can literally avoid rebels with it). This should be the -1 (or even -2) unrest idea, instead of the other.
}
there_shall_be_no_grass = {
land_attrition = -0.2
-Most hordes already have land attrition reduction in their ideas, and is worse than a +33% manpower from aristocratic
}
horde_loyalty = {
global_unrest = -1
-I think horde unity would fit better in this slot. Maybe even tribe estate loyalty?
}
watchers_of_the_silk_road = {
caravan_power = 0.20
-This is quite useless. Your income, as a horde, comes from razing, looting and wars, and not from trade. This slot should give other bonuses related to the silk road (mov speed, envoy travel time, autonomy change?)
}
a_magnanimous_empire = {
num_accepted_cultures = 2
-Again, useless if you take humanism, because you will not benefit a lot from the provinces you have accepted cultures, and more on wars and gold. There are some other bonuses which suits better with the suggesting name, such as gov. capacity, years of separatism (this would synergize better with humanism than accepted cultures).
}

ai_will_do = {
factor = 20
}
}
 
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Id love more alternate idea groups and also exploration and expansion need to be redone.
 
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Not 10% discipline, 10% discipline *only for mercenaries*, which are significantly more expensive.

You can already get 10% discipline in the first 50 years as most nations, for example Ottomans: +5% in traditions + full offensive or quality. Slap on that Economic + Quality then you get +15% for every single unit, not only mercenaries.

So no, +10% discipline for mercenaries is not OP, if balanced by removing + Discipline from affecting mercenaries.

Before such a strong disagree tell me: Did you ever pick Plutocratic? AFAIK no one sane would ever pick it. What I am saying is that ideas should be balanced instead of some being OP and the rest being underwhelming.



Aristocratic could also use a buffing, it was not an exhaustive list of weak idea groups.

Also, Ideally some ideas would be mutually exclusive (like if you have Quality you shouldn't be able to have Quantity), or Humanist/Religious or Offensive/Defensive, like it was in eu2.

But yeah, in this case Defensive could use a slight buff, because to make best use of it you need Religious+Defensive, but then you are missing out on Economic+Quality which with +10% discipline is just amazingly more useful.
Plutocratic has a host of useful bonuses. Morale, Unrest, Goods Produced. It suffers from being unfocused and not military only. Giving it +10 merc discipline (and you can bet that I will build mercs with that kind of bonus. Even the cheap ones with -5 discipline will have a +5 net gain with the first idea) will make it comparable with other mil techs and keep its other bonuses.
 
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Theocracy ideas are not bad. That -2 unrest pairs well with religious ideas, and moral is always good.
 
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These new horde ideas look like the best idea group in the game, at least for tengri nations. Hopefully you can take these in place of humanist, instead of alongside them. Not having to pay admin points for humanist-like bonuses seems really good, as you will most likely be starved of admin points at all times.

The main reason for this being top-tier is the -33% cavalry cost though.
Tengri: -20% regiment cost
Tribes estate: -20% cavalry cost
Horde ideas: -33% CC

For a grand total of -73%. That makes cav cheaper than infantry, literally at the first idea you unlock. :p
 
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As @AFKaiser has done an idea-by-idea review of Horde Ideas, I would like to do one of the Theocratic Ideas:

theocracy_gov_ideas = {
category = MIL

bonus = {
global_heretic_missionary_strength = 0.01
church_loyalty_modifier = 0.1
brahmins_hindu_loyalty_modifier = 0.1
brahmins_muslim_loyalty_modifier = 0.1
}

Honestly, I find the finisher a bit disappointing. +1 Heretic Missionary Strength is not that good, and while higher estate loyalty is neat, as a whole the finisher is a bit ... uninspiring.

trigger = {
government = theocracy
}
servants_of_god = {
devotion = 1
}

It's a thing. Nothing more, nothing less. Decent-ish earlygame, but drops off later as tax income becomes less relevant.

by_the_grace_of_god = {
fire_damage_received = -0.1
}

Decent bonus, though despite coming early it will only bloom once the midgame starts.

friends_in_high_places = {
leader_cost = -0.2
}

Mediocre, but fun fact: Theocratic Afghanistan can now hit free generals: -50% from full professionalism, -33% from Afghan ambitions, -20% from this idea.


flesh_is_weak = {
land_morale = 0.1
}

Decent military bonus. Also, keep in mind that Theocracies have a reform that gives them another 10% morale. The Theocratic Japanese Space Marines just got even stronger.

alpha_and_omega = {
enforce_religion_cost = -0.1
culture_conversion_cost = -0.1
}

I honestly never really go heavy into culture conversion, so that bonus seems decisively mediocre to me, even if it synergizes well with Religious ideas. Enforce Religion cost is interesting though, and certainly worth picking up if you go for God Tier. Also, the Great Holy Wars reform allows you to enforce religion on heathens and drops enforce religion cost by another 40%, allowing you to force your religion on some rather massive realms.

conviction_of_sin = {
global_unrest = -2
}

Simple, but nice. Keep in mind that you do not notice 100% of the rebellions that do not fire. Stacks well with both Religious and Humanist.

martyrs = {
global_manpower_modifier = 0.15
}

Nice. More men are always welcome in the post-mercenary world.

ai_will_do = {
factor = 0.9
modifier = {
factor = 0
has_idea_group = humanist_ideas
}
}
}

All in all, I don't know what to think about it. I generally prefer idea sets that have internal synergy, and this set does not. I will at least pick it though if I can ever play my Theocratic Japan game in peace.
 
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I hope Veronica, the content-designer, will have the time and patience to gradually make the map more accurate/acceptable.

There are also a lot of good suggestions for her to look at.
 
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As @AFKaiser has done an idea-by-idea review of Horde Ideas, I would like to do one of the Theocratic Ideas:

theocracy_gov_ideas = {
category = MIL

bonus = {
global_heretic_missionary_strength = 0.01
church_loyalty_modifier = 0.1
brahmins_hindu_loyalty_modifier = 0.1
brahmins_muslim_loyalty_modifier = 0.1
}

Honestly, I find the finisher a bit disappointing. +1 Heretic Missionary Strength is not that good, and while higher estate loyalty is neat, as a whole the finisher is a bit ... uninspiring.

trigger = {
government = theocracy
}
servants_of_god = {
devotion = 1
}

It's a thing. Nothing more, nothing less. Decent-ish earlygame, but drops off later as tax income becomes less relevant.

by_the_grace_of_god = {
fire_damage_received = -0.1
}

Decent bonus, though despite coming early it will only bloom once the midgame starts.

friends_in_high_places = {
leader_cost = -0.2
}

Mediocre, but fun fact: Theocratic Afghanistan can now hit free generals: -50% from full professionalism, -33% from Afghan ambitions, -20% from this idea.

flesh_is_weak = {
land_morale = 0.1
}

Decent military bonus. Also, keep in mind that Theocracies have a reform that gives them another 10% morale. The Theocratic Japanese Space Marines just got even stronger.

alpha_and_omega = {
enforce_religion_cost = -0.1
culture_conversion_cost = -0.1
}

I honestly never really go heavy into culture conversion, so that bonus seems decisively mediocre to me, even if it synergizes well with Religious ideas. Enforce Religion cost is interesting though, and certainly worth picking up if you go for God Tier. Also, the Great Holy Wars reform allows you to enforce religion on heathens and drops enforce religion cost by another 40%, allowing you to force your religion on some rather massive realms.

conviction_of_sin = {
global_unrest = -2
}

Simple, but nice. Keep in mind that you do not notice 100% of the rebellions that do not fire. Stacks well with both Religious and Humanist.

martyrs = {
global_manpower_modifier = 0.15
}

Nice. More men are always welcome in the post-mercenary world.

ai_will_do = {
factor = 0.9
modifier = {
factor = 0
has_idea_group = humanist_ideas
}
}
}

All in all, I don't know what to think about it. I generally prefer idea sets that have internal synergy, and this set does not. I will at least pick it though if I can ever play my Theocratic Japan game in peace.
Yeah that fire damage received is incredibly powerful late game because of how rare the sources for that modifier are. Say if you're trying to compete in an MP, an idea group which requires switching to Theocracy with its strong reforms is not a hard choice. But it also sucks early game, so it feels kinda out of place. Also there's no tolerance of the true faith or yearly prestige in the idea set, which I find interesting.

However, the idea set will likely be tweaked with further feedback and testing. And if it turns out OP or even underpowered once it's in the game, they can always change it, like they did with buffing Aristocratic a while ago, so I wouldn't fret too much. That +1 leader siege addition to Aristocratic went a long way towards making it competitive with other idea groups.
 
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leader_cost = -0.2
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Mediocre, but fun fact: Theocratic Afghanistan can now hit free generals: -50% from full professionalism, -33% from Afghan ambitions, -20% from this idea.
I disagree, leader cost is a great modifier. If you can stack it, it grants astronomical amounts of manpower (alongside cherry-picked generals)
20% divine ideas
25% estate privilege
(10% monarchy reform if swapping from theocracy)
0 to 10% innovativeness

And purely theoretically, if you do this as afghanistan you can stack 98% reduction of leader cost. Which means basically infinite manpower through slacken recruitment. :D
 
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I disagree, leader cost is a great modifier. If you can stack it, it grants astronomical amounts of manpower (alongside cherry-picked generals)
20% divine ideas
25% estate privilege
(10% monarchy reform if swapping from theocracy)
0 to 10% innovativeness

And purely theoretically, if you do this as afghanistan you can stack 98% reduction of leader cost. Which means basically infinite manpower through slacken recruitment. :D
They definitely are gonna need to axe that -50% leader cost from professionalism if we're gonna have so many sources of leader cost now. Slackenining Recruitment Standards regularly gives so much manpower, and it scales to your max so it scales very well. They could nerf slackening recruitment standards somewhat as well.
 

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If you are having a second look at hordes, then I wonder if you could re-consider the +50% supply limit modifier for livestock? Can you please change this into a +50% friendly supply limit, so Ming will not profit from it on hord territory when smacking around the hordes? Or include a -50% hostile supply limit modifier in the "there shall be no grass" idea? Something like that?

Also, how about putting a tiny -0.1 war exhaustion into the "beyond the sun" or the "horde loyalty" idea?
 
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Congrats to your establishment of Tinto!
Out of a economic geographic view: How is your studio going to be? Is it like a co-working place, where is it located, are you looking into synergies with other local studios, what did you find in Barcelona that helps EU4?
 
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