EU4 - Development Diary - 28th of February 2017

EU4 - Development Diary - 28th of February 2017

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Also I find the sentence "After all, there is only one China and all history from before did not exist." to be overly simplified and against what actually happened during various times. There were times when there were several states claiming mandate at the same time, just as sholars would write about previous dynasties instead of pretending their history did not exist.
Yup, and afaik most Chinese still refer to themselves as Han Chinese.
 

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Meritocracy gives +cost/-cost but cost of what?

Also is the old autonomy floor still present for Celestial Empire goverment form?
 

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What actually happens if Ming moves their capital? Will the CB change to reflect that?
 

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@DDRJake
Meritocracy gives +cost/-cost but cost of what?

Also is the old autonomy floor still present for Celestial Empire goverment form?

Advisor cost, it's written just before the piece of text you're referring to:
Nice catch, Meritocracy affects spy detection chance and advisor cost, from -50% detection and +25% cost at 0 Meritocracy, to +50% detection and -25% cost at 100 Meritocracy.
 

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As an Asian player of EU4, I absolutely love this new mechanic, however, I'd also love to see Asia get more love.
I'm a huge history buff, something that drew me to EU4 in the first place, and as someone who's interested in both European and East Asian history, I very much love the direction you took with Europe, and the game really helped me learn more and appreciate the rich and colourful history of Europe, while providing an enjoyable experience. However, Asia, in my honest opinion, is still very lacking and makes for rather lackluster games (aside from perhaps India/Malacca atm), and I'm very pleased to see the direction the hard-working development team is taking to combat this with the new Emperor of China mechanic, but I'd also love to see the rest of Asia get some sweet, sweet love. Pardon me if this gets too long, I'm rather passionate about the subject.

The first thing I'd like to see fixed would probably be Buddhism, and I'm pretty sure a majority of experienced EU4 players would agree with me on this. Buddhism has no real perks when compared to other religions, and the karma mechanic is not only very patience-wearing but also has little to no historical basis. I'm a Theravada Buddhist in real life, and I would say that the karma mechanic used in this game is very unrealistic when put in perspective of our traditional scriptures.

I think also ideas for certain nations (Ayutthaya, Lan Xang, Khmer come to mind) should be adjusted, because when compared to other nations with the same significance during the time period (eg. Ayutthaya v. Malacca in the domination of the Malay states), the ideas of these nations are very lackluster. Ayutthaya was a very militaristic nation that fought various wars against the Burmese and subjugated modern day Thailand and parts of Laos and Cambodia, along with being one of the first nations in Asia to trade with European colonialists when they arrived, however, this is barely reflected in the ideas of the nation. In fact, the only military idea of Ayutthaya is the +10% manpower modifier, which frankly speaking isn't even that historically accurate considering Southeast Asia was barely populated during the majority of the game's timeframe. Thai uber-nationalistic pride is barely reflected in Ayutthayan ideas, despite it easily being justifiable for a +army morale idea rather than a flimsy -1 national unrest (pretty unrealistic considering the epic power struggles in Ayutthaya every time a monarch died). The Khmer Empire was one of the oldest empires by 1444, and had very rich history and culture, and should have ideas more focused on diplomacy (+diplo rep, +diplo relations) due to its cultural influence on neighboring states, but instead, has 2 ideas somehow focused on its navy. Sorry if the rant is getting a bit too long here, I just wanted to point out how frustrated I sometimes get with the historical inaccuracy displayed in the idea groups of nations with large historical significance in the region, but due to crappy national ideas get downplayed a lot.

To add a new level of depth into playing Asia, I suggest the development team revisit a lot of nations in terms of ideas and perhaps add new formables with historical significance (eg. The Kingdom of Siam, the Kingdom of Burma) to the game as well. I love the direction you're taking with the Emperor of China mechanic, and I'd love to see the rest of Asia get a revisit as well.

Thank you to the development team, you guys are doing a wonderful job, and I love the direction you are taking the game. Everything above is just a suggestion of what you could do, thank you for making EU4 the enjoyable experience it is so far.​
 

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So now instead of china exploding, somebody will have to conquer it? I don't believe anyone is powerful enough in asia to do that.. I think manchu's need to get buffed (lucky nation, etc.) and have more incentive to attack ming.
 
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I feel like the last reform should have something extra. Doesn't need to be a bonus, maybe as little as changing "Empire of China" to "Glorious Empire of China" or "Eternal Empire of China" in the Mandate of Heaven screen.
 
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Are the reforms sequential, like the HRE ones, or do you get to choose which order you take them?
 

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Now this just makes me want there to be a China tag in the game, with final reform transforming the reformer into 'China.'
 

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Cheers for the DD DDRJake, and cool new mechanic :cool:. Looking forward to my next game in the mystic east :).
 

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I like it, this will give the East Asian region some nice mechanics to play with. Wonder if anything will happen on the religion front in the expansion.

Have to agree with the Decree hat being a bit awkward though. Even disregarding the fact pre-Qing dynasties never used that style of head-wear, even in the Qing dynasty it is more a tool to signify the importance of an individual bureaucrat than imperial authority. I would actually suggest replacing it with a maybe a Jade Seal icon, since while the Imperial Seal itself had been lost even before the time represented in EU4, the concept of its authority still lingers.
 

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Firstly,it's really pleasing to see the works of the new mechanic(especially as a Chinese)!
But I have a question:does it require owning a great amount of chinese province to become the Emperor?(If no,we really need it)
And as I know,"Gaituguiliu" standed for replacing native tribal rulers with directly commissioned bureaucracts,in where formerly hadnt sinicized.So to act as a celestial reform might not be suitable(maybe it's better to be a special ability of confucianism?)
Finally,a manchu hat icon for all east asian ministers is an exactly bad idea
 
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Will the Chinese Emperors get access to the same succession mechanics as the Ottomans? IIRC the Emperors always had a load of concubines and their dynasties were never in any danger of extinction. It's weird seeing Ming get inherited by e.g. the Ashikaga right now.

Would you guys consider making Ryukyu and Manchu a bit more interesting next? I think Ryukyu could use a few more provinces and a new culture and religion (it had only recently united from a series of smaller kingdoms in 1444, and they weren't pagans any more than the Japanese were). The Manchus could also possibly use their own religion, since I'm pretty sure they weren't Tengri.
 
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I like it, this will give the East Asian region some nice mechanics to play with. Wonder if anything will happen on the religion front in the expansion.

Have to agree with the Decree hat being a bit awkward though. Even disregarding the fact pre-Qing dynasties never used that style of head-wear, even in the Qing dynasty it is more a tool to signify the importance of an individual bureaucrat than imperial authority. I would actually suggest replacing it with a maybe a Jade Seal icon, since while the Imperial Seal itself had been lost even before the time represented in EU4, the concept of its authority still lingers.

They unified all the goverment strength symbols to 'hat' symbols. Devotion icon for brief moment was book, but it was also changed to bishop's hat. Now you just look for the hat in top bar and know very quickly what's up ;)
 

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I suggest to replace the icon for mandate, it just not that proper. That hat is manchu type while traditional Chinese hat called "guan" is some how like Korean and Japanese traditional hat. Please replace it to something that Ming and Qing dynasty have in common. Maybe the forbidden city or "huabiao"— a symbol of absolute power of the emporer

The hat is for the Meritocracy mechanic though, not the mandate (which is a dragon, on the bottom right of the screen).
 

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They unified all the goverment strength symbols to 'hat' symbols. Devotion icon for brief moment was book, but it was also changed to bishop's hat. Now you just look for the hat in top bar and know very quickly what's up ;)
Ah I see, I never actually noticed the correlations between the government strength symbols until you pointed it out. Thanks.:)