EU4 - Development Diary - 28th of February 2017

EU4 - Development Diary - 28th of February 2017

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Eh, the case with Emperor Yongli is a bit different though. He effectively converted his whole court and family into Christianity although he was still a confucianist in name.
To be fair Confucianism isn't a religion, more a set of philosophies on group relations (from family to king-subject). Much more political than religious.

Some justifications are of course brought forth from religious and mythical concepts, but Confucianism wasn't the religion itself. Kong just validated of some of his tenets through local Chinese religion, but most of it would still work perfectly with eg. Christian beliefs.

Divine mandate, after all, comes from whichever divinity you adhere to.

I'm not claiming I have great knowledge of confucian philosophies, just talking about what I remember from uni.
 

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I suggest to replace the icon for mandate, it just not that proper. That hat is manchu type while traditional Chinese hat called "guan" is some how like Korean and Japanese traditional hat. Please replace it to something that Ming and Qing dynasty have in common. Maybe the forbidden city or "huabiao"— a symbol of absolute power of the emporer
Agreed. Not only Ming China use the 'hat' style SignedName uploaded, but also Korea and Vietnam. Well, the 'hat' style in Korea and Vietnam may have little differences than the Ming China one, but substantially are the same. In Korea and Vietnam, those 'hats' are continued to use until end of 19th century.
Here below is a photo of Heungseon Daewongun (21 December 1820 – 22 February 1898), who is the father of twenty-sixth king of the Joseon dynasty in Korea.
 

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This is a photo of Viet Nam official in 1915
This hats aren't photoshopped? Because they look fake on the photo. Not fake as in wrong style (since I have no idea how Chinese hats were), but fake in that they appear too drawing like and appears to have a white border around them. Plus a flap of the middle one appears to be transparent.
 

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What actually happens if Ming moves their capital? Will the CB change to reflect that?
Ming had two capitals since AD1420, one is Beijing, another one is Nanking. each one had a big palace and Six Ministries. In fact, there is no emperor lived in Nanking between ad1420 to AD1644. So, during this period, Nanking had itself imperial government but with extremely limit power.
 
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This hats aren't photoshopped? Because they look fake on the photo. Not fake as in wrong style (since I have no idea how Chinese hats were), but fake in that they appear too drawing like and appears to have a white border around them. Plus a flap of the middle one appears to be transparent.
I would hazard that they're made of a semi-transparent mesh over the top of a frame (the white "border") made of stiff wire or something.
 

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Should it? I would rather think he as huangdi would still be a subject to the tenno.
Agreed. A comparison in real history would be William the Conqueror. After the Conquest, he was technically both the subordinate of the King of France as Duke of Normandy, but at the same time he was the equal of the French monarch as King of England.
 

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How much of this will be DLC-only, vs. in the update?
 

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This hats aren't photoshopped? Because they look fake on the photo. Not fake as in wrong style (since I have no idea how Chinese hats were), but fake in that they appear too drawing like and appears to have a white border around them. Plus a flap of the middle one appears to be transparent.
Uh... The "flaps" actually should be transparent and the golden borders are parts of the hat.
 

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I think - if I read the CB correctly - you have to take the capital of the current Emperor to take the title for yourself. So you can just take Beijing, and Ming now has the permanent "Mandate of Heaven Lost" modifier and explodes like cheery fireworks.
Thats why this new system is a total historical nonsense.

When Jurchen Jin Dynasty took Song Chinese capital, Song did not lose the emperor title and crumble. Song simply moved capital southwards and retained its mandate.

In fact at that time there were three 'Emperor' with mandate. Song (Han Chinese), Jin (Jurchen origin), and Xi Xia (Tibetan origin).