EU4 - Development Diary - 27th of September 2016

EU4 - Development Diary - 27th of September 2016

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Wouldn't you need to form Prussia first to get the OP government?

99% sure that is the case because you can form Prussia with Pomerania, Saxony, and Mecklenburg.
 

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Wow; this is an absolutely massive buff to Orthodox. As it was before; to get PA you'd have to forego positive events [Or take a negative] to increase PA... which rewduced your tax as well. A double negative. 9 times out of ten staying at 0 PA was a no-brainer. The 1 time being that one time you're playing Muscovy and going for the 100% PA achievement because no other Orthodox country will likely survive long enough to reach that.

Novgorod. Novgorod benefits quite nicely from 100% PA. You can't get much tax with the limits on Merchant Republics and states anyway, so aren't giving up much and in return get a nice unrest bonus.
 

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  • Lucky nations are now down to 8, sorry Poland, Brandenburg & Sweden.
The balance of having 10 lucky nations made the likelihood of a strong Russia too uncommon for us, and especially having those 3 as likely lucky nations was too much for Muscowy.
Maybe I'm having trouble counting. In a typical 1444 Start, you get POR CAS FRA ENG TUR HAB MOS POL BRA and SWE. Removing the last three, from these ten, leaves you with seven. Who are we counting as the eighth? NED? Or have we added someone, like one the manchurians? Or a dutch state that could form NED?

'Cause I thought NED wouldn't become lucky unless you started a game where that tag was active?

I also register my disappointment that BRA isn't lucky, anymore. I rarely see the AI form PRU, as things currently play out, certainly nothing approaching 50%. If you're trying to buff MOS/RUS, nerfing SWE and POL should be sufficient. In fact, keeping BRA strong (i.e., lucky) should make it a tougher opponent for POL and maybe SWE, helping MOS/RUS.
 

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Lovely update everywhere, specially the Orthodox/Mercatilism buffs.

The one thing I didn't like was the change to Lucky Nations. Great concept to keep the storyline all tidy, and Sweden kind of needs it or it gets pretty nerfed. Maybe a reduced buff instead would be better. I can see Denmark annexing them a lot next patch.

Poland kinda deserved it. Early on, Poland is an unstoppable force that will not fall without player help or very specific rivalries. Their crazy powerful early game literally locked Prusia from ever forming naturally, and limited the Muscovite expansion west almost every time.

Now the major problem with this patch for me is the removal of Brandenburg's lucky nation. I get it, you're buffing Russia, but really I don't see Brandenburg posing a threat to them in any game unless it's a player. Rather, Poland imposed a threat to both of them, and despite the nerf, Brandenburg isn't getting much. Just another HRE nation, now; slightly bigger, but far more prone to being completely annexed than any other historically succesful nation.

EDIT: Maybe a good small fix would be changing the provincial interests of Poland/PLC and Bburg. Brandenburg NEVER goes for Königsberg, except when it's a player. And often it rivals/gets rivaled by the teutes, so the PU doesn't happen. Meanwhile. Poland, historically interested only in Western Prussia, always ends up fully-annexing the Teutes by the second war, exception being when Hungary allies them (in which case they do in 3~4 wars :p). So basically making Poland value getting Danzig a LOT more, while not wanting to go for Neumark/Lubusz.
 
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If you stick to your decision to make Bradenburg unlucky, perhaps you could consider removing the requirement of having Königsberg to form Prussia so it makes it a bit easier? Historically not correct but, after all, for gameplay purposes you did the same thing with Russia when you replaced the requirement to own Chernigov or Smolensk (in EUIII) with owning Smolensk or Ryazan (EUIV).
 

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On the subject of Brandenburg and Poland etc, in a couple of observer games in recent days, I noted that the only chance the Teutons have is if they ally Hungary (which I would gamble is less than 50% of the time). This time Poland and Lithuania lost the initial war (something I don't ever recall seeing) and the Teutons ended up growing considerably into PLC and northeast HRE after a couple more wars. The problem came when the Reformation hit; one Protestant centre was in Bohemia bordering multiple Teuton provinces, another was in Skane sharing a sea tile with the Teutons. Then a Reformed centre rose up also bordering them to the West. Certainly some Teuton provinces were converted but they never changed state religion. I think the Teutons decision to form Prussia should not require Protestant or Reformed, but a certain percentage of provinces of those religions and the decision itself then converts state religion. This of course left Brandenburg out in the cold. I dread to think how they fare if they lose lucky status and all these fancy new events don't even have anything to do with forming Prussia.
 

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Can give the rival mechanic the old system of cultures - like a country has to be 10% more/less powerful than the sum of you and your subjects in order to be a rival?

And can Prussia be given their vic 2 colour?
 

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Is Multiplayer getting some love? pls kill the "different version of the game" bug
 

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I mean, theoretically the +5 force limit should give portugal the ability to keep her subjects in line.

Also I've found many ways to beat the Ottomans without allying Poland as tiny Balkan Countries. Get creative. Besides, Othodoxy got buffed, which helps Byz and Wallacia more.

There really isn't any other way. Hungary is weak, Mamaluks wont until later, Austria is expensive to ally early and won't join an offensive war. Patriarch authority wont help you 1v1 an early ottomans. Poland is your only reliable ally against the Ottomans early. A weaker Poland is a weaker Byzantium (at least at it's most important part.) That is unarguable. The fact you have to be creative to get around the nerf doesn't change that. And pretending that it isn't a nerf doesn't make you smarter. The most annoying person is the one who is contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

Also a +5 force limit doesn't reduce liberty desire as much as the changes increase it. At most, in might encourage Portugal get colonial nations of exactly 10 provinces and hope that they don't colonize quickly on their own. But more likely they will just colonize Africa instead. Most importantly for Portugal, is that you will no longer be able to easily switch your capital to the new world.
 
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