EU4 - Development Diary - 20th of October 2020

[JayD]

If I had this I could make any number of alt history maps without having to convert anything. It would be awesome.

As for the patch, I really enjoy the SE Asia changes, as well as the potential for change in Australia, and the update to North America, but it doesn't seem like this update has any clear focus yet?

As for whether Zoroastrianism and Sikh as uses of department time: I don't know how much time Zoroastrian actually takes seeing as it's just reusing the coptic mechanic, and Sikhism kind of desperately needed mechanics imo, as playing Punjab didn't seem very attractive otherwise.

CK2 Converter religions'd be also an opportunity to tie these religions with eu4's heretic rebels and if someone says these heresies lack mechanics then it'd be way more important to defend your country's religion against these heretc rebels but adding these religions to nation designer'd be great too. Fingers crossed

 

[Groogy]

Will Sikhism and Zoroastrianism also get access to extra missionaries? Would suck if the only possible playstyle is by using humanist ideas.

Both religions historically and including today did not practice much Proselytism and even had some ethnic religion beliefs developed (the modern Parsi for instance believe you need to be Parsi to be a true follower, etc.) so they are not intended by design to be strong in converting others.

 

[IndigoRage]

CK2 Converter religions'd be also an opportunity to tie these religions with eu4's heretic rebels and if someone says these heresies lack mechanics then it'd be way more important to defend your country's religion against these heretc rebels but adding these religions to nation designer'd be great too. Fingers crossed

Interestingly, some of the converter religions have more mechanics than some of the ones currently in the game do (even if all of them are just reusing mechanics from other religions with different words)

 

[Canute VII]

Like

Just in case you haven't seen it, my old suggestion on Zoroastrianism - although dissimilar to your approach, maybe some events can be wrung from it: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/a-new-suggestion-for-zoroastrianism.1396680/

And now that small religions have new hope, maybe in future also Judaism will get some more love? https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/a-new-suggestion-for-judaism.1396724/

 

[klingonadmiral]

They are balanced around that as Zoroastrian you are most likely going to form Persia considering the holy sites and as such they combine together with this

Tbf, Persian are a bit on a bad side. The two best options to form Persia, QQ and the Timmies, both have idea sets which I rate higher, you can always just play one of the Hordes, or flip to Turkish to from Rum, or simply go into India to form the Mughals.

 

[Romanix90]

Hey @Groogy i have a q. Will Parsi belong to Iranian culture group?

 

[IndigoRage]

Tbf, Persian are a bit on a bad side. The two best options to form Persia, QQ and the Timmies, both have idea sets which I rate higher, you can always just play one of the Hordes, or flip to Turkish to from Rum, or simply go into India to form the Mughals.

Also tbf, not everyone plays the game to min-max. I play the countries I play to play the country, not to balance its stats to be the best it can be in terms of modifiers while it simultaneously becomes an amorphous blob with no identity or personality. I'd rather form Persia for the theming if I wanted to play in the region than play a horde just because their ideas are better. Obviously a country having *bad* ideas isn't fun, but not everything has to be on the good side to justify its existence, imo. Not every new addition needs to be balanced against the most powerful meta options in the game.

 

[Lavilledieu]

I'm liking this!
I understand the drawback of the Sikhism teachings, however, I have mixed feelings. Reducing missionary strength will naturally push the country towards humanism, so you just won't care about this drawback. Especially for CN nations, you just build in some tolerance and then you might have access to a super powerful religion all the time, assuming that the teachings have a somewhat meaningful bonus since you pay monarch points as well. The things I think of right now, to less railroad Sikhism into Humanism, is by tying a local modifier to it. IF you accept Sikhism, every province with Sikhism gives modifier X. So then you have the choice to sacrifice the province modifier (and missionary strength) for teachings, or you go converting provinces and have fewer teachings.
While I generally dislike copying mechanics, I think it works perfectly in the case of Zoroastrism.

 

[Alaitoc]

They are balanced around that as Zoroastrian you are most likely going to form Persia considering the holy sites and as such they combine together with this
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Plus the really good trade goods of the region.

I'm not sure how that makes the bonuses any better. Going Zoroastrian is considerably harder than remaining Shia, and offers no benefits other than saying you did it. You don't even get to keep feudal theocracy if you go Zoroastrian, and that reform is better than every Zoroastrian perk combined. In my opinion the holy site bonuses should at least have +1 missionary somewhere to make playing Zoroastrian less obviously painful due to losing feudal theocracy.

Of course, this is assuming that Zoroastrianism and forming Persia are directly linked, which they aren't. I don't agree with balancing an entire religion over a single tag's ideas (and those ideas aren't even very good to begin with).

 

[Groogy]

Hey @Groogy i have a q. Will Parsi belong to Iranian culture group?

No it's Western Aryan. I was pondering back and forth on that one but the Parsi today don't consider themselves Iranian as I understood it and the Parsi at start of the game would have been long enough where they would most probably not be speaking Farsi anymore even though they would have a distinct culture separate from their neighbors around them.

For game mechanic purposes the best is to just put them in Western Aryan, if I can figure out some way to represent the Iranian heritage I will.

 

[Shogun96]

Well, just finished a This is Persia! achievement. I guess this time I will do it by converting to Zoroastrianism, since by the time I got Yazd it had already been converted.

Nice dd tho

Edit: will we have some more missions for Persia? It was kind of underwhelming when I formed it and I only had like 3 or 4 unique missions.

 

[klingonadmiral]

You don't even get to keep feudal theocracy if you go Zoroastrian, and that reform is better than every Zoroastrian perk combined.

The truly sad thing about that is that Feudal Theocracy isn't even the best Muslim government form.

 

[RhoxOS]

If I understood your teaching correctly:
1. There are a total of 30 Guru teachings in the code.
2. Each Guru will come with three teachings and they will be added to the Guru teaching selection pool.
3. Apon Guru's death, two will be forgotten and only one will remain in the Guru teaching pool.
4. New Guru will come with three teachings.
5. You can select up to six teachings and each will lower your missionary power by -1%.
right?

This Zoroaster and Sikhism make me wonder what is the main theme of the new DLC.

 

[By_Science!]

...This is about just making sure there's "something" for faiths that currently have nothing.

...Like Judaism? Will you be adding anything for them anytime soon?

 

[Romanix90]

If I understood your teaching correctly:
1. There are a total of 30 Guru teachings in the code.
2. Each Guru will come with three teachings and they will be added to the Guru teaching selection pool.
3. Apon Guru's death, two will be forgotten and only one will remain in the Guru teaching pool.
4. New Guru will come with three teachings.
5. You can select up to six teachings and each will lower your missionary power by -1%.
right?

This Zoroaster and Sikhism make me wonder what is the main theme of the new DLC.

Well first we had SEA focus, later on North America passion project and now we have Sikh and Zoroastrian rework, which i don't mind. I think they're trying to get every bit of the world instead of focusing on a single region.

 

[Canute VII]

This Zoroaster and Sikhism make me wonder what is the main theme of the new DLC.

Main theme: All the underdogs

 

[AFKaiser]

I like that you give new mechanics to religions that have none. Does this mean that Animism, Judaism and Totemism will get something? Currently they feel pretty bland.

 

[ev0k3r]

Dang, those WIP graphics are better than the Imperator new UI/UX screens shown. /s

 

[Tue_p3]

Feels like you're cleaning out the bucket list. Nice surprises

 

[Xetfield]

For game mechanic purposes the best is to just put them in Western Aryan, if I can figure out some way to represent the Iranian heritage I will.

You can give zoroastrians unique missions, like christians and muslims. For example, acceptance of Persian culture could lead to the event that can change their primary culture to Persian and to include Parsi into Iranian culture group.