EU4 - Development Diary - 16th of January 2018

EU4 - Development Diary - 16th of January 2018

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Den Haag was a key city. Rotterdam is assumed to be included in the Amsterdam province because if split up then Rotterdam would be the important trade node and Amsterdam an important center of trade.

This is why it makes more sense to have Den Haag and Amsterdam (plus Rotterdam) then to have South Holland with assumedly representing both Den Haag and Rotterdam and North Holland having just Amsterdam.

This line of reasoning doesn't make sense to me at all. Rotterdam is located south of Den Haag and is therefore part of the Den Haag province on the map in the original post. I don't see how it can be 'assumed' to be included in another province.

Besides, it is not even true that Rotterdam would be such an important trade node during this period, as it only reached its current status as the main port of the Netherlands long after the EU IV period.
 

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I am so glad you've updated these regions! The only thing that could possibly make this better is if you finally split Mainz in two so that the actual city of Mainz is entirely on the Western bank of the Rhine. Seriously, I beg you, please do this.
 

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"Make _______ a separate province! I have proof!"

- everyone from Europe begging for their hometown/county to be featured.:D
 

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Please Paradox, Split Thuringia into at least 2 Provinces, and remove the Nation of Thuringia. That area was never called Thuringia, it was Saxony, because there were kinda like two saxonies after a "disagreement" between two heirs for quite some time. You modeled this with Thuringia, but Thuringia was actually split between some 30 Fürsten. Of course that would be a bit much for eu4, but maybe add Saxe-Weimar or maybe Saxe Coburg (would go a bit into Bamberg I think)
 

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Den Haag was a key city. Rotterdam is assumed to be included in the Amsterdam province because if split up then Rotterdam would be the important trade node and Amsterdam an important center of trade.

This is why it makes more sense to have Den Haag and Amsterdam (plus Rotterdam) then to have South Holland with assumedly representing both Den Haag and Rotterdam and North Holland having just Amsterdam.
Rotterdam is located south of Den Haag, so I’m pretty sure that puts it in the same province.

EDIT: Has already been mentioned

Personally, I actually think it’s more historically accurate to have all of Holland back as one province, because it was a single county and was ruled as such until Napoleon. That’s obviously not going to happen though.
 

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@Trin Tragula I think the 2 new Scottish provinces could have better names.

East March should be "borders"

West march could be extended west, becoming the province with the strait to ireland and be called "Dumfries and Galloway". If it's not extended, it could at least have a better name. I am not too sure where exactly Galloway is, but Dumfries is definately in the "West March" province, so in the event of Galloway being a part of the Ayrshire province then it should just be called "Dumfries". (Fun fact: It's pronounced dumfreece, not dumb fries :) )

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How will the development look now? I'd imaging Lothian will increase in development as it now owns Fife, and Aberdeen to increase as it owns the city of Dundee.

Edit: Also, what's with the south west of Scotland? In game there is an island where the peninsula thing is supposed to be.

That looks to be a slightly more modern map of Scotland, the region was never historically called "Borders". Instead it was historically divided into Roxburghshire, Selkirkshire, Peebles and Berwick (although Berwick itself was lost to the English in 1482). A better name for the East March would be Teviotdale as the geographical region covers most of the four historical shires.

West March could be named Dumfries since Dumfries and Galloway is just a modern agglomeration of the two. Galloway also didn't originally exist as a shire whereas Dumfries did.
 

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Very happy to see the Isle of Man is finally making it onto the map, and even more thrilled that I'll actually be able to play as the Kingdom of Mann...does Mann have any national ideas yet? And if not would you like some to appear in the suggestions forum?

As with all such posts, I would encourage you to put fourth National Idea suggestions in the suggestions forum, and tag myself in the post with @DDRJake

While the actual effects of the ideas can and likely will be changed, what we truly value are the title and descriptions for such idea sets, as they make our lives enormously easier and, accordingly, allow us to add more ideas to the game than we otherwise would.

I'd echo this doubly so for those who have been requesting Ethiopian minor / Dutch minor idea sets :)
 

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I guess that the DLC will be called Pax Quaeritur Bello and feature Oliver Cromwell as loading screen.
 

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I guess that the DLC will be called Pax Quaeritur Bello and feature Oliver Cromwell as loading screen.

Could show King James VI of Scotland / James I of England, since he was the one who rules both Scotland and England first. A major event in history. I would be incredibly disappointed if the immersion pack is for this region and does not include this event.
 

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Could show King James VI of Scotland / James I of England, since he was the one who rules both Scotland and England first. A major event in history. I would be incredibly disappointed if the immersion pack is for this region and does not include this event.
Though, I find Cromwell more iconic. Some mechanics could be linked to Cromwell, too, whereas James I. would only serve for a simple DHE (which then would also be part of the free patch and not the DLC).

However, it might be France in the end. But as the majority of new provinces is in GB, I would still deem the chance for a GB themed DLC higher.
 

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Though, I find Cromwell more iconic. Some mechanics could be linked to Cromwell, too, whereas James I. would only serve for a simple DHE (which then would also be part of the free patch and not the DLC).

However, it might be France in the end. But as the majority of new provinces is in GB, I would still deem the chance for a GB themed DLC higher.

It's quite possible the immersion pack could focus on both GB and France, as people complained about the lack of content for the price of the russia immersion pack which paradox is now aware of. Then again this could just be wishful thinking.
 

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Hmm am I the only one that thinks Northumberland is a bit big now compared to the other provinces? I think a province in the top half of Northumberland would be good to be made into a new one.
 

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Looking at the provinces of Scotland now, Aberdeen really should now be Scottish cultured - it contains both Dundee and Aberdeen now which spoke Scots at the time. Could possibly split Aberdeen to add the province Moray.
 

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It's quite possible the immersion pack could focus on both GB and France, as people complained about the lack of content for the price of the russia immersion pack which paradox is now aware of. Then again this could just be wishful thinking.
MoH focused on Ming China and Japan, yet, the loading screen was related to China. In the end, only one nation can get the loading screen of that update.
So a GB/England update would not exclude any new mechanics for France.
 
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I remember that many patches ago Paris had an Inland Center of Trade. What was the reason behind changing this and would you maybe consider making Paris into a Center of Trade again, as it was a prospering city with a big population and a center of many lucrative trade routes as well as the political and economic center of France.
 

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I remember that many patches ago Paris had an Inland Center of Trade. What was the reason behind changing this and would you maybe consider making Paris into a Center of Trade again, as it was a prospering city with a big population and a center of many lucrative trade routes as well as the political and economic center of France.
Presumably they preferred to have Champagne as the CoT in that part of France, probably due to the Champagne fairs.

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Hmm am I the only one that thinks Northumberland is a bit big now compared to the other provinces? I think a province in the top half of Northumberland would be good to be made into a new one.
The size of the province is okay to me. What actually bothers me is the size of the name of the province. I get that the word is relatively long but there's so much unused space in the province. The same is true of many provinces, such as what looks like Lincolnshire.
 

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I said:
Oh no, that means I have to wait to play this game again!
I just play games far away from the regions affected - so right now deepest Africa or the Americas :D
Too late. I fired up ck2, trying out the newest dlc. I should be fine for a month or two. :)
 
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MoH focused on Ming China and Japan, yet, the loading screen was related to the Ming. In the end, only one nation can get the loading screen of that update.
So a GB/England update would not exclude any new mechanics for France.
The loading screen is actually related to the Qing