EU4 - Development Diary - 14th of July 2020

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Yeah... Lampung is just a complicated place around start date. I mean the pirate decision is fun and all but not really realistic. Basically,it was owned by Majapahit but they weren't paying too much attention and Chinese pirates and traders more or less ran things there. Majapahit eventually took back control though. I don't understand why Sunda exists... It was still Majapahit.

Perhaps the 'pirate event' should give two options: become a pirate republic and fight for independence or rejoin Majapahit as a vassal for stability.
No, Sunda was not part of Majapahit.
 
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I already made a more detailed post in "Suggestions" on the PDX forum, but I really feel that Barus should be Animist or Buddhist and should be given a central region connecting to Deli region, "Toba". A mountainous central province and the giant Lake Toba should be added to the map.

Barus should be renamed Hatorusan or Bakkara. There is a rich history there and is much to play with for ideas (think cannibalistic priest killers).

Deli should also be renamed "Aru".

Siak should be a Malaccan vassal or tributary.

Palembang should be a Majapahit tributary or vassal. Once they get the decision to form Pirate Republic, they should have another option to remain under MJP control.

Aceh didn't exist but this has been explained and is a cool edition. Hopefully they have a lovely green colour and unique ideas.

Other than that, very, very happy with the changes and I'm damn excited. Thanks to all the devs, my island is finally getting some more flavour!
 
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Where is the Lake Toba?

Yeah, it's nuts. It's the most important feature on the island. Should be an inland, mountainous choke point connecting east and west, or if only one-sided, at very lest connected to Barus.
 
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Great post, but as a mediterranean i have seen that you intend to add cloves, and thats perfectly fine, and probably there are many others lacking, but its nonesense whilst olive oil isnt there. please add this trade good.
Olive_niche.jpg
 
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Feel free to write up the suggestion and post it in the suggestion forum.

(The Mediterranean is off topic for this dev diary :) )
 
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On the debate folks were having over the name for a united Philippines, why not use the new cosmetic tag name system like they are doing with Indonesia or did with the Papal States.
 
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On the debate folks were having over the name for a united Philippines, why not use the new cosmetic tag name system like they are doing with Indonesia or did with the Papal States.
Because nobody can agree on a default name that isn’t either biased or nonsensical.
 
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It can be that if its culture is iberian...

Haha yeah, the original meaning of Filipino was Castilians living in the Filipinas, unless they can convert their culture or if there was a way they can be Iberian culture
 
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Finally! Maritime Southeast Asia is getting some love! I am really happy to see you working on this region. As someone who lives in this area, i can already see the things are already much better than what he had in the game right now.
 
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Finally! Maritime Southeast Asia is getting some love! I am really happy to see you working on this region. As someone who lives in this area, i can already see the things are already much better than what he had in the game right now.

PART 1
I would also like to add suggestions/requests regarding the northern part of Sumatra:

1. Gayo province should be renamed as Meulaboh (major trading port). Gayo is an ethnic group that lives in the inner highlands of Barisan Mountains, a far cry from their current position in the western coast of Sumatra.

2. Since you decided to go with the ahistorical route and add Aceh as a Sultanate, i suggest renaming the province of "Lamuri" as "Aceh". Since the current Lamuri province in the game also covers city states and kingdoms such as Darul Kamal/Dar Al-Kamal, Daya, etc. Aceh is founded in unification of these smaller states.

[[[Sorry for the multiple posts!! i was trying to get past the spam flag]]]
 
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Finally! Maritime Southeast Asia is getting some love! I am really happy to see you working on this region. As someone who lives in this area, i can already see the things are already much better than what he had in the game right now.

PART 2

3. The western half of the province of Pasai should be a new province called "Pedir/Pidie" owned by Aceh, since it was historically a rice and pepper production region. The Aceh Sultanate was also a vassal under Pedir until some time around 1514, after a war which resulted in Aceh conquering Pedir itself. Since Aceh has Daya and Lamuri now, why not Pedir too? This way Aceh Sultanate and Pasai could be neighboring rivals with 3 provinces each.

4. A new "Gayo" should be added as a mountain pass between Pasai and the old in-game "Gayo" as an uncolonized-high attrition-low supply province. This is to reflect the fact that it was still passable for armies, as it was the last bastion of the Aceh Sultanate against the Dutch Empire until the surrender of the Sultan in 1903

to be continued

[[[Sorry for the multiple posts!! i was trying to get past the spam flag]]]
 
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Finally! Maritime Southeast Asia is getting some love! I am really happy to see you working on this region. As someone who lives in this area, i can already see the things are already much better than what he had in the game right now.

PART 3

Here's a quick paint sketch what what the new provinces and renames would roughly look like (red stripes are wasteland)
eu4 aceh sketch.png

Karo represents the Batak tribes that live in the region.

regarding the smaller acehnese states:

regarding the gayonese:

[[[Sorry for the multiple posts!! i was trying to get past the spam flag]]]
 
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After some reading, it seems that the accounts of the smaller acehnese states have been pieced together from various external documents.

Lamuri was a kingdom based around modern day Lamreh, Aceh Besar District.

According to Arab sources such as Ibnu Khordadhbeh (844-848), Sulaiman (955), Mas’udi (943), and Buzurg Ibn Shahriar (955), Ramni/Lamuri was a camphor producing region under the Srivijayan Empire. According to Hikayat Atjeh (Chronicles of Atjeh), at the end of the 15th century Lamuri moved their capital to Meukuta Alam, north of the Aceh River (around modern day Kuta Alam, Banda Aceh), the state would later be known as Meukuta Alam.

Here are the list of rulers of Lamuri:
 
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As for the province Batak,

Batak itself (besides the tribe name) covers all areas around the provinces including Barus and the current Lake Toba-less wasteland.

A better way to show it is to rename the province Mandailing (in real-life covers Indonesia's Southern Tapanuli region including Padang Sidempuan, Angkola/Sipirok, Mandailing/Panyabungan, Natal/Kotanopan) OR Tapanuli (historically this covers Sumatran west coast between Aceh and Minangkabau, with Barus as its center, so it covers both Barus and this province in the planned map).

AND put Lake Toba on the map, surrounded by a mountainous uncolonized animist province with more than 6000-strong fierce natives, named Batak or Toba. This area has never been intruded by outsiders in EUIV timeframe, in fact it is in 1821 (right after EUIV ends) that Minangkabau army invaded the region. The western powers (in real-life case, Dutch) came around 30-40 years later.
 
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There is also the Kingdom of Linge located in the Barisan Mountains, my Gayo province suggestion. Although the rulers seem to not be documented properly


The Kingdom of Banua/Tamiang also existed in what is now Langkat province in this dev diary, rulers seem to not be properly documented as well.
 

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Feel free to write up the suggestion and post it in the suggestion forum.

(The Mediterranean is off topic for this dev diary :) )
Feel free to write up the suggestion and post it in the suggestion forum.

(The Mediterranean is off topic for this dev diary :) )
thanks!! didnt know that existed, i knew it wasnt with the topic but didnt know where else to put it xD
 

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The relationship of Aceh and Pedir is just a mess, i still cant pinpoint whether Aceh/Pedir or any of them are vassals or not, whether it's a war of successions or not.

I can understand you picking the ahistorical route, just make Pedir a province of Aceh instead ;)

 

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And I thought the 1.30 Balkans map update DD would get touchy :p It's good to see people really into the update though. Is this period of Sumatran history really this murky, to excuse an Early Aceh?
 
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