EU4 - Development Diary - 11th of August 2020

EU4 - Development Diary - 11th of August 2020

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Nice content! When I was looking at those missions, I found that the first pictures are the same as the Taunguan mission "Restore Pagodas". Thus, I looked up at the Taunguan mission tree and I found two things that could be hints for what's coming next:
1- Taungu has a "Chakravarti" mission. Will this add the unique government that other nations in this SEA update will have?
2- Taungu's mission "Suppress the Saophas" rewards the player with development to your capital in exchange to losing development in some conquered provinces. Is this something similar to the new mechanics you haven't talked about yet?
Also, out of curiosity, how will this new patch be named? We had 1.29 Manchu, 1.30 Austria, and maybe 1.31 Siam? Thanks in advance!
 
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About next week dd, I think you should change Cham culture back to Malay group. On the the hand, Dai Viet's mission tree in the ET mod is a good thing to be applied
 
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About next week dd, I think you should change Cham culture back to Malay group. On the the hand, Dai Viet's mission tree in the ET mod is a good thing to be applied
I've changed the culture setup since I lasted posted it, I'll talk about it again another time.
 
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Do you think it would be possible to add some love to Burma region in this update?
For example:
1. give Taungu back their unique idea set that was replaced by generic Burma idea set in Dharma
2. Burma as a formable nation
3. Some province tweaks, for example province of Pathein is quite large and could easily be split in 2
In the first Dev Diary he said that he was happy with what he did with Burma in Dharma, so no changes there.
 
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Glad to see so many great changes being added to SEA (especially Malacca)! There’s one more thing that I would like to suggest, which won’t alter the game too much while giving the SEA-China relationship as well as the tributary system a bit more flavour. It’s quite related to the SEA theme, so I’d suggest that you consider adding it to the game.

So basically the first Emperor of Ming, the Hongwu Emperor announced in his Huang-Ming Zuxun 皇明祖训 that 15 overseas nations were “nations not to be conquered” 不征之国, warning his heirs not to conscientiously invade them. It was an important policy under the tributary system and the sea-ban of the Ming Dynasty.

The 15 “countries not to be conquered” are: Korea, Japan, Ryukyu, Taiwan, Dat Viet, Chenla (aka Khmer), Siam (aka Ayutthaya), Champa, Sumatra, Xiyang (an Indian nation on the Coromandel coast), Java, Pahang, Baihua (a nation in northwestern Sumatra), Sriwijaya), and Borneo (aka Brunei).

Some of them are already tributaries of Ming at the 1444 start date, but others aren’t. My suggestion: Ming should get a massive stab hit (maybe -5 stability) if it declares war on any of these nations, similar to the HRE reform Ewiger Landfriede. This would prevent a PLAYER MING from expanding too easily into SEA by breaking tributary relations and undermining the tributary system.

Speaking of tributaries, it’s both ahistorical and disastrous that countries do not want to pay tribute to Ming if they don’t border her. In reality, lots of SEA nations love to become tributaries of Ming because the rewards they receive from Ming for being a tributary is far more valuable than the tributes they pay. Also, Ming was quite reluctant to protect her distant tributaries (those in maritime SEA) from foreign aggression, so the suzerainty relationship was quite loose.

My suggestion: there should be two types of tributaries:
Close tributaries, e.g. Korea, Ryukyu, Dai Viet. The overlord would receive a huge stab hit if the tributary status is renounced unilaterally. The overlord receives a call to arms if the tributary is attacked and HAS to accept. The nation has to border (or share a seazone with) their overlord to become this type of tributary.

Distant tributaries: e.g. SEA minors. They do NOT have to border Ming to accept a tributary offer, and the tributary status can be renounced without cost. The overlord does NOT receive a call to arms if the tributary is attacked. The overlord doesn’t get too much tribute from these subjects. However, she can opt to give her tributary a large sum of reward in exchange for more prestige.

I’m Chinese interested in history but am not an expert. The points I have raised have long been longed by Chinese EU4 players. We probably won’t see a Chinese map update anytime soon, but I believe that my suggestions would fit nicely into the 1.31 SEA patch.
 
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Very interesting, as are all SE Asia mission trees. I kind of wish it would be possible to go back to nations that get only plain boring conquer X, then Y, then Z mission trees (Ottomans, I'm looking at you) and make them more creative, but I guess for now there is too many nations with no mission trees to go back to the ones that already have them for a redo.
 
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Will the formable Malaya be getting any unique ideas and if so when can we expect to see them?
 
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korea buff plz
As much as Korea needs to be buffed in development and other stuff maybe,

This dev diary is about south east asia.

Though if the devs want a discussion about content that the community wants to see fixed without too much effort, id be happy to show them some simple suggestions.
 
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I'm pretty confused to why the Philippines is out of scope though, it's technically in South East Asia and was left out in Maritime SEA dev diary. So if the Philippines is out of scope, then it would be left out?
 
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It`s amazing! Brunei - is my favourite country in region, with their powerful ideas, missions - everything that i dreamed of.
What do you think about adding some naval bonus for another country in region to be comparable with this asian naval monster and that more important - to fight with europeans? There are a couple of ideas to make it a little bit interesting(for both competitive game and fun) - add some moral of navies to Majapahit, Malacca or ship durability for Acheh. (granted for a mission or ideas, or like estate priviliges)
I understand that you have your own vision and don`t want to change it , but if you just make powerful naval ideas to one of current minors - it`s will be so great)
 
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Some users have posted feedback on the map in the suggestion forum, any word on that?
 
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Maintenant we see that in this region Islam will be spreaded, But that about another possibility - another wave of hindu? Will you add some way to again spread Hindu here?
 
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Really great and unique again! Thank you! Its really great, that any malayan nation get some mission - nice!
It also would be great if there are some new region specific events for all the nations. Like when the first european ships are seen, or the first european country colonized or conquered or buyed a province. And also an event about the new "religion" coming from overseas. Maybe an event about pirates, an event about the discovery of australia etc. this maybe 10-15 events that fire for all the nations in the region would be so great for feeling unique.

Ps are there trade good events for the cloves?
 
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