EU4 - Dev Diary - September 10th

[SolSys]

Regions are a method of grouping together provinces that are used for a common purpose, so that you don't have a massive list of provinces for each trigger that uses such a thing that has to be updated every time. Naturally, there will be times when a province or subregion is considered part of two different regions, for historical or gameplay purposes. That means that you have to resort to listing at least two different regions, often much more if you're going to have a complex setup like mods like to do, which is much more inconvenient than it would be if custom overlapping regions could be created.

Thanks for the explanation, but I was already aware of what regions are and how do they work [been playing since 2007].
What I meant is I don't see how - overall - the current system is better then the newer one [except with 'overlapping'].

At least from my experience I can attest that the current region map-mode with overlapping sub-regions can be very uncomfortable to use** [then again I don't play with mods so millage might vary].

** conquer/colonize (mission) province from sub-region x --> wait, is x part of region y? or is it z? where does it begin? how many provinces are there? etc.

 

[Metz]

Will revolts then be region wide?

 

[Golladan]

** conquer/colonize (mission) province from sub-region x --> wait, is x part of region y? or is it z? where does it begin? how many provinces are there? etc.

Most of the time those questions are very easily answered by having a province selected when clicking the region map mode button.

Thing is, players care very little about most of the regions. As regions are mostly background stuff used for events/missions/decisions. And the overlapping is the primary (only?) benefit the current system has over this one. Specially for modders. This change I believe comes mostly from the complaints that it is hard to tell which provinces belong to which regions. And that's really because the map mode just fails at portraying that situation. Like, does the game even tell you that you can see specific regions by having a province selected?

This system does show what is where better (but will the UI tell you that the region map mode can show you both regions and super regions?). And it does allow for the introduction to new systems. So overall it's better. It just lacks the overlapping.

 

[SolSys]

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This system does show what is where better (but will the UI tell you that the region map mode can show you both regions and super regions?). And it does allow for the introduction to new systems. So overall it's better. It just lacks the overlapping.

I do concur that overlapping is useful in modding.
As for the new UI, it seems they're planing a button for each mode [+province selection showing the next smaller mode].

 

[Kwami]

Most of the time those questions are very easily answered by having a province selected when clicking the region map mode button.

Thing is, players care very little about most of the regions. As regions are mostly background stuff used for events/missions/decisions. And the overlapping is the primary (only?) benefit the current system has over this one. Specially for modders. This change I believe comes mostly from the complaints that it is hard to tell which provinces belong to which regions. And that's really because the map mode just fails at portraying that situation. Like, does the game even tell you that you can see specific regions by having a province selected?

This system does show what is where better (but will the UI tell you that the region map mode can show you both regions and super regions?). And it does allow for the introduction to new systems. So overall it's better. It just lacks the overlapping.

When I was doing the Master of India achievement, I couldn't figure out a way to get the map to show me the "India" region. India was a whole bunch of smaller regions, and some of those regions actually had provinces outside of "India", too. It was all very confusing and hard to keep track of. So, I like the new system.

All of that said, overlapping regions have some uses. I like the idea of a "custom-regions" file. But, I do hope that there's a map mode to show custom regions, too. Basically, we can have the best of both systems.

 

[Golladan]

When I was doing the Master of India achievement, I couldn't figure out a way to get the map to show me the "India" region. India was a whole bunch of smaller regions, and some of those regions actually had provinces outside of "India", too. It was all very confusing and hard to keep track of. So, I like the new system.

Like I said, all you have to do is select a province when the region map mode is open. Select any province in the interior of India while the region map mod is open.

 

[Honza58]

Oh boy, Bohemia under the pesky Germany area? That's horrible! I demand new Bohemia Region in the name of all that's holy... or you know rename Germany to Bohemia... or Europe to Bohemia... Or wait the whole world should be Bohemia! Wait what was I talking about? Oh yeah...

How about moving Bohemia at least towards Carpathia?

Also how about some czech names for some of Bohemia provinces that right now have german names even when there is Bohemian culture present since beginning... looking at you Erz and Eger!

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Will revolts then be region wide?

I do hope so, at least sometimes anyway.

 

[GeneralJhon]

Hey Wiz, is 1.14 going to break 1.13 save games cause of the new features? =)

 

[Kwami]

Like I said, all you have to do is select a province when the region map mode is open. Select any province in the interior of India while the region map mod is open.

But this doesn't always work. If you select an Indian province that's also part of another region, then the map highlights that region instead. Some regions are hard to pin down because of that. For instance, I can't seem to highlight Maharashtra because it overlaps with India and with other Indian regions (such as Indian Coast). There's no way to highlight continents, either, even though some achievements call of owning entire continents. It's all very annoying.

 

[Golladan]

But this doesn't always work. If you select an Indian province that's also part of another region, then the map highlights that region instead. Some regions are hard to pin down because of that. For instance, I can't seem to highlight Maharashtra because it overlaps with India and with other Indian regions (such as Indian Coast). There's no way to highlight continents, either, even though some achievements call of owning entire continents. It's all very annoying.

And in most situations you don't need to. As I said, the majority of the regions are used for behind the scenes stuff.

As I said, the new system brings a lot more good than what it takes away. But it's still going to be very annoying for modders without overlapping regions.

 

[Willem IV]

I don't think the overlapping regions are needed for modding.
Just search for a port in either indian, indochina, indonesian, chinese superreggion.

 

[AKronblad]

And in most situations you don't need to. As I said, the majority of the regions are used for behind the scenes stuff.

As I said, the new system brings a lot more good than what it takes away. But it's still going to be very annoying for modders without overlapping regions.

Yes, we DO need the overlapping regions. Which we will hopefully get with @Wiz 's custom_region suggestion. Then the new system will be superior.

 

[Honza58]

Oh and I forgot... With the Britan... Why not call it it Isles? I mean British Isles, French Isles, Irish Isles depending on who owns it? Sounds better than French Britan I'd say...

 

[falcorosso]

Anatolia is in Europe or in Middle East? This can change a lot of thinge in the HRE and Religious league

 

[Wagonlitz]

Expecting "Scandinavia" to be fixed as Fennoscandia, or Fenno-Scandinavia, seeing how it extends to Finland.

Scandinavia is the correct term.

 

[AKronblad]

Scandinavia is the correct term.

Not if it includes Finland.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Not if it includes Finland.

Sure. But Fennoscandia doesn't cover Denmark. And Finland didn't really play any role in this time frame so using Scandinavia is more correct for the region. Though calling it Norden would be more correct; you could also include Iceland and the other North Atlantic Islands then.

 

[AdamPA1006]

These look like great improvements.

 

[LordofWarN02]

Thrace should be part of Balkan instead Anatolia