Does the Concede colonial area also give control of the lands assigned in the Treaty of Tordesillas?
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EU4 - Dev Diary - October 15th 2015
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+1000! This would not only remove the micro hell, it would actually create meaningful decisions between "cheap", "effective" and "fast".
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Very nice! Just a few things though:
1. Coexistence should not remove all native uprisings. There should be a very low chance, but a chance still. They could always happen, they present a challenge, and permanently disabling them just for picking the coexistence option might be too much.
2. Repression policy should greatly increase native raids and make them really hostile. Everywhere in the world, whenever repressive policies have been used against natives of some land, whether that be Spanish expansion all over Americas or American expansion westwards to the Pacific coast, there have always been rebellions and raids and open warfare. The natives would always present heavy resistance. The chance of native uprisings and toughness should be really high.
3. It might be just me, but haven't these three policies always existed in name? When colonizing first you always get an event with three worded options of 'live and let live', 'present a trade proposal' or 'repel the savages'. I have never seen option to 'garrison' or anything.
This is going to be really nice. I only wish 'nation coloured wasteland' feature was released early in a small patch. Eagerly waiting for it!
1. Coexistence should not remove all native uprisings. There should be a very low chance, but a chance still. They could always happen, they present a challenge, and permanently disabling them just for picking the coexistence option might be too much.
2. Repression policy should greatly increase native raids and make them really hostile. Everywhere in the world, whenever repressive policies have been used against natives of some land, whether that be Spanish expansion all over Americas or American expansion westwards to the Pacific coast, there have always been rebellions and raids and open warfare. The natives would always present heavy resistance. The chance of native uprisings and toughness should be really high.
3. It might be just me, but haven't these three policies always existed in name? When colonizing first you always get an event with three worded options of 'live and let live', 'present a trade proposal' or 'repel the savages'. I have never seen option to 'garrison' or anything.
This is going to be really nice. I only wish 'nation coloured wasteland' feature was released early in a small patch. Eagerly waiting for it!
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Could you explain the concept of colonial wars a bit more thoroughly? I don't understand what this option does apart from not allow you to call in your allies. Does it apply to the allies of the person you're attacking too or just the attacker? Are you required to use it to get the concede colonial area concession?
What I think would really make this tickbox matter would be that by enabling a colonial war, the war is entirely limited to the theatre in which the war is declared, plus naval engagements. This would mean that, for a colonial war declared over colonies in North Americas, 100% warscore would come from occupying all colonies or colonial nations in that theatre, and occupying or ceding provinces from the homelands are disabled. This would go a long way to stopping any colonial war turning into WW1!
This would also mean that a native nation wouldn't have to occupy Europe for a non-conquest CB.
What I think would really make this tickbox matter would be that by enabling a colonial war, the war is entirely limited to the theatre in which the war is declared, plus naval engagements. This would mean that, for a colonial war declared over colonies in North Americas, 100% warscore would come from occupying all colonies or colonial nations in that theatre, and occupying or ceding provinces from the homelands are disabled. This would go a long way to stopping any colonial war turning into WW1!
This would also mean that a native nation wouldn't have to occupy Europe for a non-conquest CB.
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If native uprisings represent an annoying amount of micromanagement, why not treat them similar to standard rebels? In other words, have a unrest value for natives, and when that value reaches 100%, you get a native uprising in one of your provinces, scaled to how many natives are involved. They could be based on colonial region or native culture (the native culture would have to stay until the colony is mature, for that to work) or culture group.
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I'm pretty sure these policies appear in an event but eh, who cares, still good content.
Yes, we all know that the policies appear in events ^_^; I think the point of this is not to show a brand new feature but show that it is now a non-event mechanic and an effect which an be easily changed.
Bad argument. In this case, the man with the silly hat would at least make the native ruler an exception. Under certain circumstances (the Native realm is a strong realm in good standing with the Pope), he would even deny the Colonial powers the right to forcefully colonize that region.
That would completely kill the point of this action, which is the player sacrificing a gain in order to not bother with it (but arguably, the gain should be lower than it currently is).
Bad argument. In this case, the man with the silly hat would at least make the native ruler an exception. Under certain circumstances (the Native realm is a strong realm in good standing with the Pope), he would even deny the Colonial powers the right to forcefully colonize that region.
That would completely kill the point of this action, which is the player sacrificing a gain in order to not bother with it (but arguably, the gain should be lower than it currently is).
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Any chance we will get to learn more about the Hansa in the next update? Surely they will get some special mechanic?
No. That still doesn't mean that natives would in any way be perfectly happy and peaceful and allow foreigners to slowly encroach on them, in any realistic way. There should be at least a 1% chance that natives would become infuriated at something and begin an uprising.
Either that, or population growth should be extremely slow to the point that it should take decades to colonize a bunch of provinces.
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Does this AI also use native policies and if so is the AI now subject to native uprisings? If they are still exempt then this really sucks as the AI is being given extra settler growth for free.
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This isn't a realism feature, it's there for convenience. That would remove the whole point of the current implimentation.
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An interesting dev diary. The change to demanding colonial areas would definitely make things easier. Im currently in my "Sunset invasion" run and it would make things a lot easier to manage
I think it also includes -30% coring cost and no cost for reinforcing.
Almost right, it makes the enemy pay your reinforcement costs.
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I spit tea on my keyboard, and I wasn't even drinking any tea.
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Nice. Now we can go full Seven Years' War on France and take the whole of Canada in one go.
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They have, kind of. But the current implementation doesn't really have that big of an effect. All it does is set a flag depending on the option you choose, that allows certain events to trigger. But those events have a pretty long MTTH and some somewhat specific triggers, which makes them quite rare. So the system doesn't really have much of an impact. Plus you can't change to a different policy.3. It might be just me, but haven't these three policies always existed in name? When colonizing first you always get an event with three worded options of 'live and let live', 'present a trade proposal' or 'repel the savages'. I have never seen option to 'garrison' or anything.
Would love to know this as well. The AI has a greatly reduced chance to get uprisings as it is because it can't handle them. It should be locked out of Repression for sure, and probably instead of getting a cheat here, should just be locked into coexistence.
Of course, using the manpower drain suggestion someone else made, the AI and player could both choose between the three. The trick would then be keeping your manpower pool above 0 which the AI is usually better than the player at since it's not at war as much. (Plus it's nice it was stated as a garrison option so if you don't want to do it that way you could still stand troops. Maybe there's a reason to or you're dealing with a large area and find it just as easy to move a small stack as it is to pay attention to manpower)
Hey uh, while we're here talking about France... I don't think their bonus for reducing the development costs on colonized provinces even works right now.
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