If it was based on plate tectonics, then it wouldn't be very random at all and would just look very similar to the normal new world.
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Not like it is very big so might as well just leave it in. Climate is going to be different for the rest already so it will fit.
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apologies if this has been asked already, but is there a way to force the mapgenerator to generate a map with, say, a fantasy vinland? Regenerating the map until one randomly turns up does not sound fun.
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No imagination huh? What if the tectonic plates were shaped differently or moved at different speeds?
They don't, but then again Novgorod never formed Russia, England never colonized Mexico, and France never collapsed in the 1500s either. But no problems with that right, because that's sociology and politics instead of geology?
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I think civfanatic has a point here, having an implausible-looking land mass is a big disadvantage for a game which is so much about aesthetic map painting. Actually I plan to try out the new random new world and see how much fun it is, but I'm going to disable it in like 90% of my games. Doesn't mean it's not a nice option to have. And I do find the fantasy scenarios such as having a strong native empire with High American technology very interesting.
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Then the Old World would look different too.
Precisely. There's a big different between things that happened a way because of human impact and things that happened a way because that's the way things are.
The Comet Sighted event is already stupid as it is, and not just because only 1 country gets it at a time.
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Only one country has people throw a hissy fit over the ill omen; that doesn't mean only one country saw it.
I have a question; for the fantasy scenarios, will you need to have RNW enabled, or could you have things like High American empires, Vinland, lost Templars, etc. in the regular Americas?
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The scenarios (i.e. what happens on a given landmass in a given playthrough) are linked to the RNW generation. Perhaps in the future that might change, if they're popular enough.
It's a big square! Well atleast the lands west of the aiel wastes are.
Well yes but the point is to have a fantasy scenario. Truth is if it wasn't for the isthmus of panama mankind would not exist. the apperence of that changed the weather patterns and caused a climate change in northern central africa which led to forests becommin savannah thus primates with dextrous hands made for climbing had to venture out in the grassland on foot, their hands freed up for using tools. If those forests had not existed, if they had not dissappeared we would not be here. So make even a small change in the shape of the new world and history changes irreversibly.
But it's a fantasy scenario, and to some extent to capture that feeling of being uncertain of what's out there that the explorers really had but we can never have with the world we know so well (Well until we create technology that allows us to partition of parts of our memory, that'd be so cool, seeing star wars without knowing darth vader was lukes father).
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So you are of the opinion that humans are unnatural? Or that they aren't a part of the way things are?
Also yeah I'd make comet sighted hit every nation on a continent. Because there's no panic like widespread panic XD.
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I hope they up the chance of any given scenario firing.
I've seen some very empty RNWs from youtubers with preview copies.
That is, if a low chance of scenarios firing is what's responsible for it, rather than there not being enough random nation slots.
I've seen some very empty RNWs from youtubers with preview copies.
That is, if a low chance of scenarios firing is what's responsible for it, rather than there not being enough random nation slots.
Uh.. no? The nations and ideas and stuff, basically history, developed largely as it is because of humans.
But the 1755 Lisbon Earthquake didn't happen because of humans. The Little Ice Age didn't occur because of humans (well, unless you're one of those that think that declining human population was a cause). Vesuvius doesn't erupt because of humans. Meteors and comets don't occur because of humans. And so on and so forth.
There are many things that happened a certain way because of humans. But there are other things that just happened and would have happend even if we didn't exist.
If Paradox doesn't want to care about tectonic plates in the RNW, that's fine. Gives them more choices. And I'm sure there will be somebody that will make tiles that take plates into account. But to use the premise that the game is based on alternate history as an excuse for having weird landmasses is rather absurd.
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Uh, Golladan, I think the point was that humans, as part of nature, are and were every bit as deterministic as geography, so impossible tectonic shift isn't really any more or less ~inaccurate~ or believable than Republican Russia
I mean I'm not sure I agree. It's technically true, but some things still FEEL different from others
I mean I'm not sure I agree. It's technically true, but some things still FEEL different from others
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Here's a little problem for you: if physical determinism is true, then free will is just a lie we tell ourselves. It's like... the central problem of philosophy of mind.
There is no difference between the inevitability of plate tectonics and the course of human history.
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Even if time is an illusion and everything from beginning to end of the universe has already ocurred it doesn't matter in the slightest because everything anyone does is their decisions to act(or not) on what happens. If making choices based on the context and person you are is not free will then what is?
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What magical property in the human brain gives you the ability to disregard all the physical inputs that affect your mental/physical/chemical makeup and allow you to make a "free" choice?
At best, free will is the ability to uniquely *perceive* the world, not uniquely affect it.
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Why you would have to disregard anything? Those physical inputs are what makes you... Well you and such along with the context of the situation results in you making choices(even- and especially- when it is not apparently so).
Free will is just a short and awesomesauce way of saying we can act on the world not merely react to it. Effectively the same as saying one is alive since that is basically what life in general, to one degree or another, is.
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To imply physical causality is to say that if X affects Y, the result will be Z. If at a pool table you hit the white ball in the exact same way 100 times, it will react in a predictable manner. If you accept that, then you cannot *also* have the property of free will that allows you to disregard all Xs affecting your Y (brain) and make the choice "you" want. You cannot have both X -> Y = Z and X -> Y = Z or notZ.
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