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You are in luck! I am indisposed for this week's session, as I'm visiting family until Wednesday. The StarNaN himself has agreed to take the reins of the Imperium and lead its forces to victory in its current struggle to turn the Mediterranean into a closed barrel. I thoroughly enjoyed this war and would have loved to continue it in person, but real life got in the way.

In StarNaN we trust! the call to glory as been sounded! and plenty of glory there will be to go round! I hope there will be some left upon your return if StarNaN hasn't set Europe ablaze! Show Fido the Wolf what for StarNaN!


The StarNan strikes back. Streamed tomorrow^^
 

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Will Da9l strike at StarNaN? Will he finally take the Celestial Throne?(I for one am in favor of this) Will Neva Luki finally run out of luck(and ammunition)? Will Osteras run out of money(and cheese)?

Find out next tomorrow on the next episode of "As the World Burns", presented by Roberts Casket and Mortuary Company.
 

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Will Da9l strike at StarNaN? Will he finally take the Celestial Throne?(I for one am in favor of this) Will Neva Luki finally run out of luck(and ammunition)? Will Osteras run out of money(and cheese)?

Find out next tomorrow on the next episode of "As the World Burns", presented by Roberts Casket and Mortuary Company.
Will StarNaN strike at Da9L?
Taking the Celestial Throne would be insane suicide!
Wouldn't be surprised if StarNaN is leading the armies.
Osteras will never run out of cheese.

Btw: @DDRJake : Not sure if you are aware of this but it has been said wrong so often in dev clashs that I want to mention it here: The only reason why the defenders have lost way less troops to attrition is that attrition only counts to the war if it happens in enemy territory. Since the defenders almost never entered enemy territory (not even sieging back occupied provinces seems to count), they are displayed as having almost no losses. You might actually want to fix this. Would probably count losses double/triple etc if you are in multiple wars, but that wouldn't really matter.
 

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Btw: @DDRJake : Not sure if you are aware of this but it has been said wrong so often in dev clashs that I want to mention it here: The only reason why the defenders have lost way less troops to attrition is that attrition only counts to the war if it happens in enemy territory. Since the defenders almost never entered enemy territory (not even sieging back occupied provinces seems to count), they are displayed as having almost no losses. You might actually want to fix this. Would probably count losses double/triple etc if you are in multiple wars, but that wouldn't really matter.
I wasn't aware of this.
I'm gonna check out the save and get some more accurate attrition numbers by comparing troops lost to attrition at the start of the session compared to the end.
 

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Attrition change between start and end of session. Note that this almost certainly includes some attrition not related to the ongoing war, but most of it should be attributable to the war.

(First number is attrition losses at end of session, second is at start, third is the difference between the two)
Western Alliance:
Canapés: 1 286 625 - 413 812 = 872 813
Imperium: 1 293 651 - 632 539 = 661 112
Aquitaine: 341 957 - 253 756 = 88 201
De Raaf: 370 065 - 292 168 = 77 897
Total: 3 292 298 - 1 592 275 = 1 700 023

Eastern Alliance:
Neva-Luki: 1 162 527 - 609 973 = 552 554
Tragulia: 317 433 - 144 087 = 173 346
Kuba Luba: 364 694 - 259 347 = 105 347
Phrygia: 267 027 - 197 912 = 69 115
Horde: 236 275 - 202 984 = 33 291
Total: 2 347 956 - 1 414 303 = 933 653

So 1.7m vs. 0.93m. Definitely a significant disparity, but not nearly as significant as the war overview makes it appear.

Combined with battles, this makes the total death tolls 5.8m for the Western Alliance, and 3.4m for the Eastern Alliance.
 
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Been watching the youtube channel. Imperium have a lot of work to do if he wants to go for Mare Nostrum.
 

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People who could object to such a notion:

- Dnote
- Groogy
- RageaiR
- Alexivan
- Mikesc
- Servancour
- Zeke
- Meneth
- Da9l

The latter two are the most problematic. Meneth is a match, and Da9l punches above Bratyn's category.
 

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Been watching the youtube channel. Imperium have a lot of work to do if he wants to go for Mare Nostrum.
Well that is the achievement. But people were actually talking about controlling the Mediterranean See which was called Mare Nostrum by the Romans. For this he "only" needs to conquer Servancour and make another deal with Alexivan (probably already planned) and Meneth.

Btw: The original meaning of Mare Nostrum seems to be that of the Tyrrhenian Sea. He already controls that one^^
 

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I'm betting on Da9L entering the war now on the Eastern side, which he should already have done last time to secure his victory.
The lord of salt serves salt to all, but has a special salt dungeon reserved for StarNaN. Mainly because everyone (and especially Jake) always gawks at StarNaN's military prowess (and of course not without reason), but largely ignores Da9L's skills (probably because he is so salty). Furthermore the Daniels have been at each other's throats for the last couple of games, and StarNaN is in part responsible for Da9L never getting a trophy.
At least, let's hope so. It would be quite a spectacle.
 

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IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL LOYAL CITIZENS OF BRITANNIA

Sickness struck our dear emperor while the war negotiations were being done and we have now received a message of the result from both the western temporary supreme barrel maker StarNaN and the great cannon maker of the east Fido.

"We, Temporary Supreme Barrel Maker StarNaN and The Great Cannon Maker of the East Fido, hereby request that the clearly superior and god like nation of Britannia stay out of the conflict in Europe. In case of a declaration of war from you, your Holiness, war will immediately be stopped and the most unholy of coalitions will be made to strike back at your great nation. We wish only that you let us solve our conflicts by ourselves without your interference.

We wish you the best and a quick recovery,
Barrel and Cannon."

It's still unclear how our great emperor's response will be but with thought of the emperor's health we can assume he will comply for now until he's back at full strength. What the response will be once he's fully recovered will be the big question to be answered later.

All Hail Britannia!

END OF MESSAGE
 

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Sickness struck our dear emperor while the war negotiations were being done and we have now received a message of the result from both the western temporary supreme barrel maker StarNaN and the great cannon maker of the east Fido.
[...] In case of a declaration of war from you, your Holiness, war will immediately be stopped and the most unholy of coalitions will be made to strike back at your great nation. We wish only that you let us solve our conflicts by ourselves without your interference.[...]
If they can agree to that, they can also agree to destroy you later, no?
I miss the times that agreements like that were put on paper and signed by everyone, only to be completely disregarded the next session.
 

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"We, Temporary Supreme Barrel Maker StarNaN and The Great Cannon Maker of the East Fido, hereby request that the clearly superior and god like nation of Britannia stay out of the conflict in Europe. In case of a declaration of war from you, your Holiness, war will immediately be stopped and the most unholy of coalitions will be made to strike back at your great nation. We wish only that you let us solve our conflicts by ourselves without your interference.
How nice of them to offer you the best possible outcome for yourself free of charge! :D
 

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Well that is the achievement. But people were actually talking about controlling the Mediterranean See which was called Mare Nostrum by the Romans. For this he "only" needs to conquer Servancour and make another deal with Alexivan (probably already planned) and Meneth.

Btw: The original meaning of Mare Nostrum seems to be that of the Tyrrhenian Sea. He already controls that one^^

Yea. However since it was from the perspective of the romans i really think one should be incontrol of most of the roman lands as well and thats pretty much why i think it is more correct to strive for lands closer to the achievment. (just the way i choose to look at it)
However it wouldnt relly be wrong to view Aquitane as just an extension of him and then yea he is pretty close to my view of it anyways. :p
 

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The Year Of Our Lord 1750
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## STATS FOR MP ###
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Current Score
  1. Britannia 17737 (+9.88)
  2. Imperium Cupariorum 16321 (+8.13)
  3. Canapés 14527 (+9.00)
  4. North Kuba-Luba 8592 (+5.08)
  5. Ceylon 7549 (+3.00)
  6. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 7450 (+7.59)
  7. Katzalonia 7405 (+6.84)
  8. Lithuania 6510 (+3.00)
  9. Bagelkhand 3917 (+0.00)
  10. Aquitaine 3639 (+4.50)
  11. Phrygia 3118 (+0.00)
  12. Alexandria 1865 (+3.21)
  13. Zekania 1593 (+1.00)
  14. De Raaf Vliegt 1320 (+0.00)
  15. Tarascan 1310 (+1.16)
  16. Great Tragulia 1243 (+1.16)
  17. Japan 745 (+0.00)
  18. Briuba 228 (+0.29)
  19. Ravensburg 172 (+0.00)
  20. Brilombia 151 (+0.00)
Development
  1. Imperium Cupariorum 2017
  2. Britannia 1921
  3. Canapés 1838
  4. Katzalonia 1760
  5. Aquitaine 1106
  6. North Kuba-Luba 1087
  7. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 1053
  8. Ceylon 896
  9. Great Tragulia 843
  10. Alexandria 798
  11. Japan 569
  12. Iridescent Horde 568
  13. Österås 538
  14. Phrygia 537
  15. Zekania 535
  16. Lithuania 447
  17. Ardalan 346
  18. Gornja Siga 339
  19. Yi 334
  20. Aquitanian Brazil 333
Income
  1. Canapés 440.75
  2. Britannia 440.07
  3. Imperium Cupariorum 426.62
  4. Katzalonia 319.45
  5. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 223.37
  6. North Kuba-Luba 212.35
  7. Österås 154.78
  8. Alexandria 146.25
  9. Aquitaine 135.31
  10. Ceylon 105.72
  11. Phrygia 102.26
  12. Tarascan 96.59
  13. Great Tragulia 91.70
  14. Gornja Siga 84.85
  15. Iridescent Horde 77.22
  16. Japan 62.75
  17. Lithuania 60.86
  18. Zekania 58.71
  19. Briuba 55.13
  20. Aquitanian Brazil 39.11
Max. Manpower
  1. Canapés 300k
  2. Britannia 261k
  3. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 223k
  4. Imperium Cupariorum 187k
  5. North Kuba-Luba 181k
  6. Great Tragulia 157k
  7. Katzalonia 153k
  8. Alexandria 128k
  9. Aquitaine 106k
  10. Ceylon 94,495
  11. Japan 88,911
  12. Phrygia 82,686
  13. Österås 80,349
  14. De Raaf Vliegt 69,998
  15. Iridescent Horde 68,694
  16. Yi 68,676
  17. Lithuania 64,467
  18. Tarascan 62,099
  19. Aquitanian Brazil 49,927
  20. Buha 43,975
Standing Army
  1. Britannia 475k
  2. Canapés 375k
  3. North Kuba-Luba 259k
  4. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 258k
  5. Katzalonia 194k
  6. Imperium Cupariorum 189k
  7. Great Tragulia 178k
  8. Aquitaine 120k
  9. Alexandria 111k
  10. Tarascan 109k
  11. Ceylon 87,748
  12. Iridescent Horde 87,000
  13. Japan 80,000
  14. Phrygia 76,000
  15. Österås 60,000
  16. De Raaf Vliegt 58,000
  17. Lithuania 50,000
  18. Zekania 48,549
  19. Ahmednagar 47,000
  20. Briuba 47,000
War Fleet
  1. Imperium Cupariorum 61/43
  2. Britannia 72/9
  3. Katzalonia 72/0
  4. Canapés 46/8
  5. Tarascan 9/45
  6. Alexandria 18/0
  7. Briuba 11/0
  8. Lithuania 8/0
  9. Iridescent Horde 0/4
  10. Muan Phuang 4/0
  11. Aquitaine 2/0
  12. Japan 2/0
  13. Yi 2/0
  14. Nassau 2/0
  15. Ashikaga 2/0
  16. Ravensburg 0/2
  17. Memmingen 2/0
  18. Wu 0/2
  19. Cocomes 1/0
  20. Ardalan 0/1
Trade Fleet
  1. Britannia 96
  2. Katzalonia 83
  3. Alexandria 71
  4. Imperium Cupariorum 50
  5. Briuba 50
  6. Zekania 40
  7. Lithuania 38
  8. Ceylon 30
  9. Ahmednagar 30
  10. Aquitaine 29
  11. Tarascan 26
  12. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 26
  13. Bristralia 20
  14. Meath 18
  15. Great Tragulia 16
  16. Phrygia 16
  17. Brixico 16
  18. Aquitanian Brazil 12
  19. Brilombia 12
  20. Yi 10
Technologies
  1. Britannia 81
  2. Katzalonia 81
  3. Tarascan 81
  4. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 81
  5. Canapés 81
  6. Briuba 80
  7. Meath 80
  8. Brixico 80
  9. Iridescent Horde 80
  10. Alexandria 79
  11. Imperium Cupariorum 79
  12. Bristralia 79
  13. De Raaf Vliegt 79
  14. North Kuba-Luba 79
  15. Great Tragulia 78
  16. Phrygia 78
  17. Brilombia 78
  18. Cocomes 78
  19. Colla 78
  20. Byzantium 78
Great Power
  1. Britannia 2408
  2. Katzalonia 1914
  3. Canapés 1838
  4. Imperium Cupariorum 1366
  5. North Kuba-Luba 1087
  6. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 1053
  7. Aquitaine 998
  8. Alexandria 907
    [~]Ceylon 601
    [~]Iridescent Horde 568
    [~]Great Tragulia 566
    [~]Österås 566
    [~]Phrygia 537
    [~]Japan 411
    [~]Zekania 359
    [~]Ardalan 352
    [~]Gornja Siga 339
    [~]Lithuania 331
    [~]Ahmednagar 233
    [~]Patiala 201
 
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