"EU4 Dev Clash #8 - 1444: A Historical Oddity" - Tuesdays 15:00CEST

[Meneth]

Who did that? Who? There's a reason Burgundian Ideas are wonderful

I mean, there's tons of better options in singleplayer, because if you have a huge need for mercs there you're probably doing something wrong.
In MP though it definitely has its uses.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Fake news, the commentators are always right!

The commentators are the ones who write the history books as they say

 

[King]

I thought it was the victors. Does that mean no matter who win the war, the commentators steal their win?

No matter who looses the commentators win.

 

[BjornB]

The Town Crier isn't all propaganda you know! Sometimes they're objective! Looking forward to next week! In the grim darkness of the 18th century there is only war.

I am slightly offended by this, yet amused at the same time

I would like to receive some acknowledgment for my contributions in this war however. I wonder where the Eastern Coalition would be right now without the meat of the great North Kuba-Luba?

I also expect Da9L to illogically invade me from the East instead of taking down the people who might actually challenge him for the win

 

[Gnivom]

Come to think of it, what is @Gnivom 's plan anyway? He's still on the map, still playing, but doesn't appear to be doing anything, and as far as I can tell doesn't even have an army. I'm expecting great things for the future.

Gornja Siga is the most prosperous country in the world. We were the first to embrace the Enlightenment, and the first to become a Constitutional Republic. Our provinces are some of the richest on the map. We have renounced war and the idea of a standing army, avoiding military conflicts through diplomacy. You ask what is our plan? It is to serve our people and inspire freedom in the rest of the world.

 

[Meneth]

Gornja Siga is the most prosperous country in the world. We were the first to embrace the Enlightenment, and the first to become a Constitutional Republic. Our provinces are some of the richest on the map. We have renounced war and the idea of a standing army, avoiding military conflicts through diplomacy. You ask what is our plan? It is to serve our people and inspire freedom in the rest of the world.

Gornja Siga is an example to us all. An experiment in alternate governance that the Canapé Empire has sworn to protect.
Sadly, external influence means that the Empire itself cannot adopt similar policies, but at least it can ensure that Gornja Siga is free to do so.

 

[Bratyn]

Also we gave StarNaN some real bad coverage early on, i miss StarNaN now, not even the hugbox killer could suvive the scrutiny of the Town Crier.

You are in luck! I am indisposed for this week's session, as I'm visiting family until Wednesday. The StarNaN himself has agreed to take the reins of the Imperium and lead its forces to victory in its current struggle to turn the Mediterranean into a closed barrel. I thoroughly enjoyed this war and would have loved to continue it in person, but real life got in the way.

 

[Meneth]

Btw: @DDRJake : Not sure if you are aware of this but it has been said wrong so often in dev clashs that I want to mention it here: The only reason why the defenders have lost way less troops to attrition is that attrition only counts to the war if it happens in enemy territory. Since the defenders almost never entered enemy territory (not even sieging back occupied provinces seems to count), they are displayed as having almost no losses. You might actually want to fix this. Would probably count losses double/triple etc if you are in multiple wars, but that wouldn't really matter.

I wasn't aware of this.
I'm gonna check out the save and get some more accurate attrition numbers by comparing troops lost to attrition at the start of the session compared to the end.

 

[Meneth]

Attrition change between start and end of session. Note that this almost certainly includes some attrition not related to the ongoing war, but most of it should be attributable to the war.

(First number is attrition losses at end of session, second is at start, third is the difference between the two)
Western Alliance:
Canapés: 1 286 625 - 413 812 = 872 813
Imperium: 1 293 651 - 632 539 = 661 112
Aquitaine: 341 957 - 253 756 = 88 201
De Raaf: 370 065 - 292 168 = 77 897
Total: 3 292 298 - 1 592 275 = 1 700 023

Eastern Alliance:
Neva-Luki: 1 162 527 - 609 973 = 552 554
Tragulia: 317 433 - 144 087 = 173 346
Kuba Luba: 364 694 - 259 347 = 105 347
Phrygia: 267 027 - 197 912 = 69 115
Horde: 236 275 - 202 984 = 33 291
Total: 2 347 956 - 1 414 303 = 933 653

So 1.7m vs. 0.93m. Definitely a significant disparity, but not nearly as significant as the war overview makes it appear.

Combined with battles, this makes the total death tolls 5.8m for the Western Alliance, and 3.4m for the Eastern Alliance.

 

[Groogy]

Review of the Peasant Bank current Loans and projected profits.

Compound interest is the most powerful force in the universe.

 

[Da9L]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL LOYAL CITIZENS OF BRITANNIA

Sickness struck our dear emperor while the war negotiations were being done and we have now received a message of the result from both the western temporary supreme barrel maker StarNaN and the great cannon maker of the east Fido.

"We, Temporary Supreme Barrel Maker StarNaN and The Great Cannon Maker of the East Fido, hereby request that the clearly superior and god like nation of Britannia stay out of the conflict in Europe. In case of a declaration of war from you, your Holiness, war will immediately be stopped and the most unholy of coalitions will be made to strike back at your great nation. We wish only that you let us solve our conflicts by ourselves without your interference.

We wish you the best and a quick recovery,
Barrel and Cannon."

It's still unclear how our great emperor's response will be but with thought of the emperor's health we can assume he will comply for now until he's back at full strength. What the response will be once he's fully recovered will be the big question to be answered later.

All Hail Britannia!

END OF MESSAGE

 

[StarNaN]

StarnaN

There will be blood.

 

[Da9L]

There will be blood.

Now you know how I feel when I see Dan9L, Da9eL, D9nL or something like that

 

[Groogy]

The Year Of Our Lord 1750

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## STATS FOR MP ###
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Current Score

1. Britannia 17737 (+9.88)
2. Imperium Cupariorum 16321 (+8.13)
3. Canapés 14527 (+9.00)
4. North Kuba-Luba 8592 (+5.08)
5. Ceylon 7549 (+3.00)
6. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 7450 (+7.59)
7. Katzalonia 7405 (+6.84)
8. Lithuania 6510 (+3.00)
9. Bagelkhand 3917 (+0.00)
10. Aquitaine 3639 (+4.50)
11. Phrygia 3118 (+0.00)
12. Alexandria 1865 (+3.21)
13. Zekania 1593 (+1.00)
14. De Raaf Vliegt 1320 (+0.00)
15. Tarascan 1310 (+1.16)
16. Great Tragulia 1243 (+1.16)
17. Japan 745 (+0.00)
18. Briuba 228 (+0.29)
19. Ravensburg 172 (+0.00)
20. Brilombia 151 (+0.00)

Development

1. Imperium Cupariorum 2017
2. Britannia 1921
3. Canapés 1838
4. Katzalonia 1760
5. Aquitaine 1106
6. North Kuba-Luba 1087
7. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 1053
8. Ceylon 896
9. Great Tragulia 843
10. Alexandria 798
11. Japan 569
12. Iridescent Horde 568
13. Österås 538
14. Phrygia 537
15. Zekania 535
16. Lithuania 447
17. Ardalan 346
18. Gornja Siga 339
19. Yi 334
20. Aquitanian Brazil 333

Income

1. Canapés 440.75
2. Britannia 440.07
3. Imperium Cupariorum 426.62
4. Katzalonia 319.45
5. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 223.37
6. North Kuba-Luba 212.35
7. Österås 154.78
8. Alexandria 146.25
9. Aquitaine 135.31
10. Ceylon 105.72
11. Phrygia 102.26
12. Tarascan 96.59
13. Great Tragulia 91.70
14. Gornja Siga 84.85
15. Iridescent Horde 77.22
16. Japan 62.75
17. Lithuania 60.86
18. Zekania 58.71
19. Briuba 55.13
20. Aquitanian Brazil 39.11

Max. Manpower

1. Canapés 300k
2. Britannia 261k
3. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 223k
4. Imperium Cupariorum 187k
5. North Kuba-Luba 181k
6. Great Tragulia 157k
7. Katzalonia 153k
8. Alexandria 128k
9. Aquitaine 106k
10. Ceylon 94,495
11. Japan 88,911
12. Phrygia 82,686
13. Österås 80,349
14. De Raaf Vliegt 69,998
15. Iridescent Horde 68,694
16. Yi 68,676
17. Lithuania 64,467
18. Tarascan 62,099
19. Aquitanian Brazil 49,927
20. Buha 43,975

Standing Army

1. Britannia 475k
2. Canapés 375k
3. North Kuba-Luba 259k
4. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 258k
5. Katzalonia 194k
6. Imperium Cupariorum 189k
7. Great Tragulia 178k
8. Aquitaine 120k
9. Alexandria 111k
10. Tarascan 109k
11. Ceylon 87,748
12. Iridescent Horde 87,000
13. Japan 80,000
14. Phrygia 76,000
15. Österås 60,000
16. De Raaf Vliegt 58,000
17. Lithuania 50,000
18. Zekania 48,549
19. Ahmednagar 47,000
20. Briuba 47,000

War Fleet

1. Imperium Cupariorum 61/43
2. Britannia 72/9
3. Katzalonia 72/0
4. Canapés 46/8
5. Tarascan 9/45
6. Alexandria 18/0
7. Briuba 11/0
8. Lithuania 8/0
9. Iridescent Horde 0/4
10. Muan Phuang 4/0
11. Aquitaine 2/0
12. Japan 2/0
13. Yi 2/0
14. Nassau 2/0
15. Ashikaga 2/0
16. Ravensburg 0/2
17. Memmingen 2/0
18. Wu 0/2
19. Cocomes 1/0
20. Ardalan 0/1

Trade Fleet

1. Britannia 96
2. Katzalonia 83
3. Alexandria 71
4. Imperium Cupariorum 50
5. Briuba 50
6. Zekania 40
7. Lithuania 38
8. Ceylon 30
9. Ahmednagar 30
10. Aquitaine 29
11. Tarascan 26
12. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 26
13. Bristralia 20
14. Meath 18
15. Great Tragulia 16
16. Phrygia 16
17. Brixico 16
18. Aquitanian Brazil 12
19. Brilombia 12
20. Yi 10

Technologies

1. Britannia 81
2. Katzalonia 81
3. Tarascan 81
4. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 81
5. Canapés 81
6. Briuba 80
7. Meath 80
8. Brixico 80
9. Iridescent Horde 80
10. Alexandria 79
11. Imperium Cupariorum 79
12. Bristralia 79
13. De Raaf Vliegt 79
14. North Kuba-Luba 79
15. Great Tragulia 78
16. Phrygia 78
17. Brilombia 78
18. Cocomes 78
19. Colla 78
20. Byzantium 78

Great Power

1. Britannia 2408
2. Katzalonia 1914
3. Canapés 1838
4. Imperium Cupariorum 1366
5. North Kuba-Luba 1087
6. Revolutionary Neva-Luki 1053
7. Aquitaine 998
8. Alexandria 907
   [~]Ceylon 601
   [~]Iridescent Horde 568
   [~]Great Tragulia 566
   [~]Österås 566
   [~]Phrygia 537
   [~]Japan 411
   [~]Zekania 359
   [~]Ardalan 352
   [~]Gornja Siga 339
   [~]Lithuania 331
   [~]Ahmednagar 233
   [~]Patiala 201

 

[Groogy]

Hmm according to the game I can take out loans going all the way up to 7.5 million ducats.... Nice

Took for 100k then my hand got tired and I gave up.....

 

[LittleFido]

Neva-Luki will rise again, even now our armies are growing stronger and soon...
(Going revolutionary, in essence gave me: +4.5% discipline* and 20% morale).

*Lost about 10 Absolutism, so that's ~0.5 discipline.

 

[Groogy]

so if I take a loan a second, there won't be enough time in the game for me to reach my ceiling....


I need to implement a shift mechanic so I can take 10 loans a click....

 

[LittleFido]

Fun Fact: Neva-Luki owns the Newa and Luki.

Of course!
Why did you think I chose the name?

 

[Meneth]

Attrition change between start and end of session. Note that this almost certainly includes some attrition not related to the ongoing war, but most of it should be attributable to the war.

(First number is attrition losses at end of session, second is at start, third is the difference between the two)
Western Alliance:
Canapés: 1 286 625 - 413 812 = 872 813
Imperium: 1 293 651 - 632 539 = 661 112
Aquitaine: 341 957 - 253 756 = 88 201
De Raaf: 370 065 - 292 168 = 77 897
Total: 3 292 298 - 1 592 275 = 1 700 023

Eastern Alliance:
Neva-Luki: 1 162 527 - 609 973 = 552 554
Tragulia: 317 433 - 144 087 = 173 346
Kuba Luba: 364 694 - 259 347 = 105 347
Phrygia: 267 027 - 197 912 = 69 115
Horde: 236 275 - 202 984 = 33 291
Total: 2 347 956 - 1 414 303 = 933 653

So 1.7m vs. 0.93m. Definitely a significant disparity, but not nearly as significant as the war overview makes it appear.

Combined with battles, this makes the total death tolls 5.8m for the Western Alliance, and 3.4m for the Eastern Alliance.

As a followup, attrition incurred this session:

Western Alliance:
Canapés: 1 919 780 - 1 286 625 = 633 155
Imperium: 2 055 264 - 1 293 651 = 761 613
Aquitaine: 435 045 - 341 957 = 93 088
De Raaf: 388 048 - 370 065 = 17 983
Total: 4 798 137 - 3 292 298 = 1 505 839

Eastern Alliance:
Neva-Luki: 1 565 062 - 1 162 527 = 402 535
Tragulia: 390 181 - 317 433 = 72 748
Kuba Luba: 454 433 - 364 694 = 89 739
Phrygia: 298 408 - 267 027 = 31 381
Horde: 255 727 - 236 275 = 19 452
Total: 2 963 811 - 2 347 956 = 615 855

All told, that means 3 205 862 men died from attrition on the Western side during the two sessions.
1 549 508 on the Eastern side.
Nevermind all those who fell in battle.

 

[Katzura]

Then again, Katz has been known to start a 7 on 1 attack on Da9L before...

Pffft, that only happened once >_>