EU4 Dev Clash #11 - Baltic Elephants - Tuesdays 15:00 CET

[Da9L]

We are not Romans, @KaiserJohan , the Romans fell and lost. We may be the last descendents of them but that should not define us. We are our own people, we have our own hopes and dreams. We are not fond of war like, the warlike Romans, but we fight and die when it's needed of us. But the bells of war are sounding, the sound of the bell is echoing throughout the body and soul of every single Theodorian. We will not fall today, we will not fall tomorrow but tonight we dine in hell! AVE!! THEEEOOOODOOOORRROOOO!!!


(so any help you might want to give will be much appreciated )

 

[KaiserJohan]

We are not Romans, @KaiserJohan , the Romans fell and lost. We may be the last descendents of them but that should not define us. We are our own people, we have our own hopes and dreams. We are not fond of war like, the warlike Romans, but we fight and die when it's needed of us. But the bells of war are sounding, the sound of the bell is echoing throughout the body and soul of every single Theodorian. We will not fall today, we will not fall tomorrow but tonight we die in hell! AVE!! THEEEOOOODOOOORRROOOO!!!


(so any help you might want to give will be much appreciated )

It all sounds fine except that AVE is under copyright

 

[KaiserJohan]

There's copyright law in Dithmarschen? What are you, a Merchant Republic?

Anything deemed to be of any value defaults to be owned by the State, including immaterial rights and YOUR SOUL! DUTY DOES NOT END IN DEATH!!

 

[Bratyn]

After a 30-years period spent defending the oppressed peoples around the world - especially in Theodoro and the Papal State - the Dutch stand ready to continue their quest for the world's foremost colonial empire.

And to take vengeance upon the Scottish, who returned to their homelands as if overnight and stabbed a dagger in our ally's back. The British Dutch Isles will be Dutch!

 

[Bratyn]

Het Jaar des Heren 1644​

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## STATS FOR MP ###
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Current Score

1. Ming 4817 (+4.14)
2. Delhi 3493 (+2.43)
3. Ottomans 3249 (+0.00)
4. Persia 3223 (+3.00)
5. Burgundy 2614 (+1.85)
6. Spain 2250 (+1.85)
7. Netherlands 2220 (+2.86
8. Gujarat 2001 (+0.00)
9. Dithmarschen 1862 (+3.43
10. Japan 1510 (+0.00)
11. Dai Viet 1194 (+0.00)
12. Prussia 1085 (+0.28)
13. Venice 652 (+0.71)
14. Muscovy 372 (+0.00)
15. Ethiopia 361 (+0.85)
16. Mamluks 321 (+0.00)
17. Korea 298 (+0.00)
18. Poland 258 (+0.00)
19. Portugal 194 (+0.57)
20. Pasai 163 (+0.42)

Development

1. Ming 1612
2. Dithmarschen 1612
3. Delhi 1505
4. Burgundy 1231
5. Persia 1166
6. Ottomans 1113
7. Netherlands 1023
8. Gujarat 933
9. Ethiopia 875
10. Theodoro 695
11. Dai Viet 687
12. Spain 572
13. Korea 540
14. Sweden 537
15. Prussia 514
16. Hanover 504
17. Chagatai 482
18. Kilwa 457
19. Portugal 425
20. The Papal State 418

Income

1. Ming 328.82
2. Burgundy 249.14
3. Dithmarschen 238.22
4. Netherlands 220.97
5. Persia 187.41
6. Gujarat 159.00
7. Delhi 133.43
8. Kilwa 120.02
9. Venice 114.09
10. Hanover 107.69
11. Korea 101.59
12. Spain 99.54
13. Theodoro 83.60
14. Portugal 79.15
15. Ethiopia 78.01
16. Ottomans 68.95
17. Prussia 63.31
18. Sweden 62.99
19. The Papal State 61.35
20. Dai Viet 58.56

Max. Manpower

1. Saxony 21,000
2. Chagatai 19,200
3. Ottomans 19,030
4. Habsan 18,500
5. Ashanti 18,000
6. Bengal 17,520
7. Ming 17,500
8. Sweden 17,500
9. Oirat 17,500
10. Iceland 17,000
11. Gujarat 16,500
12. Theodoro 16,500
13. Chimu 16,500
14. Oyo 16,500
15. Mzab 16,500
16. Tunis 16,100
17. Hanover 16,000
18. Spain 16,000
19. Portuguese Brazil 16,000
20. Spanish La Plata 16,000

Standing Army

1. Ming 399k
2. Dithmarschen 147k
3. Gujarat 140k
4. Delhi 120k
5. Ethiopia 106k
6. Persia 105k
7. Sweden 97,000
8. Korea 96,000
9. Theodoro 88,889
10. Burgundy 86,000
11. Netherlands 75,317
12. Chagatai 75,000
13. Prussia 70,000
14. Spain 68,990
15. Dai Viet 60,000
16. Venice 57,158
17. Portugal 54,000
18. The Papal State 53,888
19. Hanover 52,000
20. Ottomans 48,000

War Fleet

1. Ming 26/61
2. Netherlands 83/0
3. Venice 9/60
4. Korea 13/23
5. Spain 30/0
6. The Papal State 0/20
7. Sweden 5/12
8. Portugal 16/0
9. Tlemcen 0/16
10. Malacca 12/0
11. Sunda 12/0
12. Dithmarschen 11/0
13. Hanover 9/2
14. Kilwa 11/0
15. Kikuchi 0/11
16. Poland 5/5
17. Persia 8/0
18. Pasai 8/0
19. Prussia 0/7
20. Brunei 7/0

Trade Fleet

1. Netherlands 164
2. Dithmarschen 63
3. Spain 50
4. Ming 40
5. Hanover 31
6. Kilwa 31
7. Portugal 28
8. Malacca 27
9. Sunda 22
10. Persia 22
11. Pasai 21
12. Ethiopia 21
13. Theodoro 20
14. Delhi 17
15. Korea 16
16. Gujarat 16
17. Sweden 15
18. Dutch West Indies 15
19. California 12
20. Brunei 10

Technologies

1. Ming 58
2. Bohemia 58
3. Mong Nai 58
4. Netherlands 57
5. Spain 57
6. Korea 57
7. California 57
8. Prussia 57
9. Venice 57
10. Lithuania 57
11. The Papal State 57
12. Burgundy 57
13. Brandenburg 57
14. Kilwa 56
15. Gujarat 56
16. Dutch West Indies 56
17. Brittany 56
18. Alaska 56
19. Spanish Canada 56
20. Austria 56

Great Power

1. Ming 1741
2. Dithmarschen 1656
3. Burgundy 1231
4. Persia 1201
5. Ottomans 1115
6. Netherlands 1084
7. Delhi 1075
8. Ethiopia 875
   [~]Spain 850
   [~]Gujarat 703
   [~]Kilwa 585
   [~]Portugal 563
   [~]Korea 554
   [~]Prussia 514
   [~]Hanover 504
   [~]Theodoro 496
   [~]Chagatai 482
   [~]The Papal State 418
   [~]Sweden 383
   [~]Japan 373

 

[Bratyn]

^not looking at the top for the max manpowers I imagine @Bratyn

I have no idea what is wrong with the manpower list... It comes from the exact same print using the command line... I will ask Groogy when he is back.

In any case, it is certainly not correct. My own max manpower is about 40k, for instance. Persia's is 140k.

 

[MatRopert]

power , glory , Burgundy?
just eat Brittany to get a pretty border plz.

I will do that next session, this time I had to choose between them and Spain who was holding trade center on Genoa's node.

 

[Duplo]

The devs must be proud of their AI after what Venice managed to pull. My god what a laugh. I wish AI was always that smart

As a developer, I don’t know if I should feel proud for the AI or ashamed for those defeats

 

[Trin Tragula]

Dat Ming tho... scary. Is @Trin Tragula still thinking of going after them?

Eventually sure. They do not frighten us much anymore.
For now though we have answered the pleas of all those wronged by Gujarat and that will take a bit of time to resolve.

 

[KaiserJohan]

Ming shall be driven from the shores of the New World! Anyone arrogant enough to claim the so-called "Mandate of Heaven" can be no friend of the proletariat!

 

[MatRopert]

PS: I don't understand why people are helping grow a monster like Dheli.

I find myself asking the same question.
I suppose it's linked to a much less dense player population in India compared to Europe.
Last week we were still around 11 in Western/Central Europe whereas the Indian region only has 5 or maybe 6.

 

[KaiserJohan]

I find myself asking the same question.
I suppose it's linked to a much less dense player population in India compared to Europe.
Last week we were still around 11 in Western/Central Europe whereas the Indian region only has 5 or maybe 6.

While I agree about Europe, in all fairness the same could be said for Burgundy. It has been unstoppable for a century now and is probably stronger than Delhi.

 

[Trin Tragula]

PS: I don't understand why people are helping grow a monster like Dheli. The people's republic should go help the opressed people's of india.

The people of India are fine but thank you for your concern.
We have just answered the desperate pleas for help from the many peoples oppressed by Gujarati oppression. From Africa to Europe they seem to have gained quite a few enemies.

 

[KaiserJohan]

Meanwhile, on a continent with an even lower player density than India...

To be fair, it's true that Burgundy and Delhi both need to die horribly before the end of the Age of Absolutism if anyone else wants to seriously contest for top spot. Gujarat (who is currently 3rd place) is probably done for, and both Arheo and sidestep are 6 points behind Matthieu and 8 points behind Trin, so they absolutely need to overtake them in AoA score.

It's a fair point, although I don't nearly have the score of Delhi or Burgundy
Even before the first session I decided the only course of action was to abandon the continent and move to America. Given the dominance of last campaign, being flanked by the Marketing Sea to the East and Burgundy/Holland to the West I would be doomed to die just like Hamburg caught between these two power blocks.

We survived the turmoil of the 16th century and are now a true powerhouse. Now my idea groups just needs to be repurposed to WARRRRRR!

 

[MatRopert]

While I agree about Europe, in all fairness the same could be said for Burgundy. It has been unstoppable for a century now and is probably stronger than Delhi.

To their credit they did try to gang up on me last time and were close to succeed.
But I haven't backstabbed any ally so far so they did come to help as I did in their times of need.

On the other hand the power players in Americas and India have run pretty much unchecked for most of the last age and this new one.

To be fair, it's true that Burgundy and Delhi both need to die horribly before the end of the Age of Absolutism

Please don't put us in the same basket as those ugly turncoats

 

[MatRopert]

The trophy should go to whoever your AI programmer is.

As it happens, it's our Bavarian player Michael who is working on the AI the most.
He's also the one who got repeatedly cut down to size by his AI neighbours everytime his country was starting to take off.
Isn't karma a bitch?

 

[Duplo]

... Sigh

 

[Bratyn]

Also, are Glasgou and the other provinces there already or haven't you had the time yet?

I didn't have the time yet, also I wasn't sure if I'd continue the naming convention for Scottish culture as well... Maybe

Oh by the way, can anyone explained what happened to Scottland? Why did they sell all their land and go out of the game in just a few years?

@wazp knew I was coming for him as payback for his treachery (the deal we had to split the British Isles involved a clause to not join wars against myself or Burgundy, and they tried to loophole through that by attacking Papal State instead - a fact they didn't deny when I confronted them about it), and even WITH the support of the others in the Marketing Coalition (and those in Italy), just Burgundy and myself could take them on easily. When Prussia and Pomerania, arguably the two most powerful members of that coalition, decided to not only withdraw their support from Scotland, but outright actively target him for conquest, he knew the writing was on the wall. His aim thereafter was just to form Iceland and have some fun, and selling provinces meant he could do that faster. Also, he knew that the sooner he'd let me have all of the British Isles, the sooner I'd be willing to protect him instead of war him.

At least, that's how it seems from my point of view.

 

[Sirrebirre]

Northern Europe, summed up:

yes, yes! Wazp betrayed the whole marketing alliance in a heartbeat just to form Iceland. I even heard he paid Bratyn in beers just to make it go faster... Prussia and I tried to stop the fool from having his country implode by forcefully taking his land and safeguard it while he was on his mad trip!

 

[Bratyn]

yes, yes! Wazp betrayed the whole marketing alliance in a heartbeat just to form Iceland. I even heard he paid Bratyn in beers just to make it go faster... Prussia and I tried to stop the fool from having his country implode by forcefully taking his land and safeguard it while he was on his mad trip!

Can confirm. Many beers were had. Wazp was the instigator; definitely not the victim.