Fighting the league headed by the Emperor to change the HRE's primary religion and fighting another war to then unseat the Emperor sounds a bit redundant. If you've made the HRE Protestant, you've already beaten the Emperor decisively.
EU4 - Art of War - Dev Diary 7 - Religious Leagues, The Reformation and the Near East
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Fighting the league headed by the Emperor to change the HRE's primary religion and fighting another war to then unseat the Emperor sounds a bit redundant. If you've made the HRE Protestant, you've already beaten the Emperor decisively.
Actually no, It is not a tribal society as much as people would believe, There is a tribal element to Arabia, but Hidjaz, Yemen and Hasa were for the most part ruled by vassal states, and occasionally independent states to a degree,
Your assuming the political alliances stay the same, expect they probably won't France may back say Brandenburg or Bohemia against Austria when Austria is the emperor but they probably won't continue to help them after they have become emperor and Austria might be able to come back especially if he can secure the help of Catholic nations that dislike the current emperor like the Commonwealth or Denmark
Not yet. But Maybe it will release between October 28 and November 12. Because CK2 : charlemagne announced for release October 14. So this week except, and Paradox interactive loves 2nd and 4th week.
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Best bet as a strong reformed/orthodox country in the HRE is to DOW both war leaders, smash both their armies to a pulp, completely occupy and drive up war exhaustion and only peace out when the religious war ends. Alternatively, stay catholic, get emperorship, pass Erbkaisertum, then switch to reformed/orthodox. I agree though, its rediculously gamey that Reformed/Orthodox have to more or less break the system instead of playing along.
PS: At the very least Reformed should be considered part of the Protestant side, which is historical, the United Provinces and the Paletinate were both Reformed states and Calvinism was one of the biggest factors behind the 30 years war.
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Vassal states? Vassals to who? Yeah I'm talking about the centre, Hedjaz should be controlled by the Mamluks and Bahrain was pretty strong during the timeframe. But Yemen was not centralised at all and split into lots of tribes, even if some were nominally under a higher king, and what is now Najd and the UAE was completely tribal, which the game currently completely fails to represent.
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At the very least, there should be a few events or decisions to represent the Emperor oppressing the Protestants before the CB unlocks.
Re-reading the Dev Diary... There is the possibility for multiple religious wars. If the Emperor wins or a white peace happens, than the religious war mechanics are disabled. If the non-emperor league wins, then both sides flip and the defeated emperor gets another chance of getting the throne back.
I wish the 30 Years War mechanics were a bit more than one war, as many others are saying. I'd like to see there be a time period where the leagues are active and any number of wars can be fought, after truce timer of course. This would also allow for countries to switch sides in the meantime and simulate the spread out nature of the conflict. I just don't think just one war will really be satisfying to me.
Will you the new Reformation system make the French Wars of Religion more likely to happen? I think I've only seen it happen one time.
What about major uprisings like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants'_War
Will you the new Reformation system make the French Wars of Religion more likely to happen? I think I've only seen it happen one time.
What about major uprisings like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants'_War
And this all is why I don't intend to preorder an expansion again, or even buy it at full price until its release is proven stable. No matter how promising the dev diaries make it look. Typically the cycle has been announcement, then dev diaries making me excited about the new features, followed by a patch that robs my enthusiasm, in equal parts due to bugs and mechanics changes I disagree with. But invariably for me the patch brings a lot of unanticipated and unwelcome changes.
Then by the time I decide maybe I might want to play, I start to worry that the next patch will come along and break my game before I finish it so I don't, and instead wander off to play something else.
And that's the story of how I haven't played since the release of 1.4, despite preordering CoP. Here's hoping AoW breaks the trend.
Yeah thats why I asked, I just saw the CK2 release and thought they would announce here too. Oh well, they wont pillage my wallet all at once I guess.Not yet. But Maybe it will release between October 28 and November 12. Because CK2 : charlemagne announced for release October 14. So this week except, and Paradox interactive loves 2nd and 4th week.
I am loving every part of this! Very nice to hear that CanOmer is redrawing the Near-East.
The first war might break out prematurely, as the Protestants have a timer on them. They have to press the war, or they lose anyway.
I am predicting that if Protestantism is forced to press a war, which they are, they will most likely lose the first time unless they have some amazing set of allies. There will be only a few provinces and countries that will have converted by the time they need to force the issue offensively.
And if they lose that war, it's over for the rest of history. Even if they strengthen later on, it will be impossible for them to try to attempt a second time.
The religious war mechanics sound exciting, yet quite clunky and open to allow very strange situations to occur. For instance, what happens when the Emperor and the Catholic side win, and then subsequently, a strong Protestant player state converts (via cleansing of heresy wargoal) and/or vassalizes a majority of electors, or perhaps all the electors. You could, for instance, have a player as Protestant Great Britain or Scandinavia with four Protestant elector vassals, and three Protestant non-vassal electors for instance, yet the player could not be elected due to the official religion of the Emperor being permanently locked as Catholic, even in the rare/odd case that no Catholics even exist anymore in the empire. In that case, I assume the electors would choose some random outsider Catholic state as the emperor. An even rarer case, would be if the Catholics won the initial wars of religion, and somehow centuries later, no more Catholics exist anywhere in the world. Would the electors suffer a fatal code-error and crash the game?
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I guess right now, in term of concept, the major problem we nee to know is how long this timer would last until Protestant lost their chance...
If it can goes say >50 years, then I think it would be enough time for the protestant to forge alliance with strong outside force to allow them at least wage the war long enough so there is no victor...
Other factor that I think could help the protestant force is the 'nerf' in Catholicism and Center of Reformation which if turn out 'right' would mean there will be strong protestant nation in the game to help during the war...
And if Paradox use France not by pure coincidence or simply to joke about 'the big blue blob', then I think this (that there will be strong protestant nation to help) could be the outcome they see consistently coming from their test of the mechanic...
That, to me, would be an idiot way to railroad all future games.
Ruler: "We've broken from Rome. No longer will we need to bow and kiss the ring of the Pope!"
People: "Yay!"
Ruler: "..instead, now we need to bow and scrape and kiss the rung of the French king. He was the only way we'd be able to survive..."
Finally, the rest of the world is getting some nice attention. Definitely a first day buy for me.
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