EU4 - Art of War - Dev Diary 6 - Client States, Allied Transports and Central Asia

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These tribes are very different from other nations, so a new government type was added for them – the Siberian Clan Council. Besides the name, this government type has one more feature: it allows small tribes to migrate from one place to another just like the North American Indians do.
I guess I guess it right...
Woo... :D

On topic of these tribes and what improvement for ROTW beside provinces, I think there is possibility these nations will get NA gameplay (those migrate and stuff) probably with some tweak...
It seems the Devs don't want us to see them just yet, like they don't want us to see North America, so I think they are going to be 'important'...

Looking forward for DD about the Rev. France Button also Protestantism rework...
 

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"Pegaya Orda" province seems random. I mean, its just Russian for Skewbald Horde, not native. Why don't call it that, or I don't know, "Selkup" by its chief tribe?
 

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So if warscore scales linearly with local autonomy and LA goes up over time while a province is occupied... Doesn't that mean taking land will be easier as a war progresses longer (of course then the provinces will be less desirable). Interesting mechanics.
 

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Why is Gotland, a 4 BT province only 1% WS? The realm it belongs to is huge but i don't think that this is enough to reduce it so much.

What year? That sounds like administrative efficiency in play.

Edit: Nevermind, I see the SS in question now. Yeah, that year you can have ADM 29 and have all provinces cost 1/4 of their previous war score.
 

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Why is Gotland, a 4 BT province only 1% WS? The realm it belongs to is huge but i don't think that this is enough to reduce it so much.

Interface wasn't quite finished when screenshot taken, number isn't accurate.
 

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Oh no....it looks like Korea has taken a significant nerf....Paradox for shame. Do not fall prey to the Korean nationalists who believe Korean culture to be significantly separate from that of Chinese influence. Nay, it is not different during this time frame, and the idea of a "Korean" state had barely existed until King Sejong took up the mantle of Uniting Korea as a Korean entity for the first time in history, sparking the traditions of modern Korea. Before this time there were no significant differences between Chinese and Korean culture. FOR SHAME PARADOX.
 

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Really liking most of what I see here, despite the fact that the rest of my post will be nitpicking one minor feature. That being said...

Why is the idea of Spain conquering the Siberian natives considered a good thing?

We already have a problem with implausible Iberian expansion into Siberia, the last thing we need in the region is actual states that they will get a colonialism CB on.

And I'll admit I don't know too much about the region, but my instinct is that the local peoples of Northeast Siberia hardly deserve tags. Perhaps it might be better to show longer resistance against Russian expansion, but in-game, I foresee ridiculous stuff like Chukchis or Kamchadals migrating to the Urals (as is even said in the DD, Kamchadals were largely sedentary), and as mentioned before, non-Russians getting a head-start in ridiculous Siberian expansion due to easy-to-conquer tags.

I think having new tags in Siberia would have been interesting, but it would have been better to pick wide-roaming nomadic peoples to the west and south (Yakuts spring to mind), who would more feasibly have engaged in the sort of thing represented by the Native migration mechanics, and who wouldn't just give Spain and Portugal an easy in to a region that they shouldn't be interested in in the first place.
 

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I'm a little surprised to see that the Sibir Khanate wasn't added - it was still around until the late 1500's. Balance reasons perhaps? I'm also still holding out hope for the Ainu being added as Spanish/Portuguese Hokkaido being a thing still happens way too often. They just can't seem to resist that northeast corner of the map...

Also, maybe I just imagined it, but wasn't it stated that there was still work being done on some areas of the map (even those they've already covered in the Dev Diaries i.e. Southeast Asia with that errant Aceh)? So there's still the possibility that the current screenshots don't show all the intended border changes and new states in some areas. Maybe we'll see an improved South/Southwest Africa, or more states in North America (the western and northern edges of the continent are weirdly empty), or maybe even more stuff in Asia (a better Japan and/or some of the Phillipine kingdoms?).

Whatever happens this is the EU4 expansion I have been most excited about by far. Keep up the wonderful work Paradox!
 

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That is already the case (and has been since release), it's just visible now. :)

It's already the case for v1.7? I know it was there through v1.5 but seemed to disappear without a patchnote in either v1.6 or v1.7 (I can't recall which).

In a current run I was fighting a 1,000% WS Mughals and a 80% WS Oman. 1-2 BT/BMP provinces cost the same WS from each. If it's currently in there, it's too small to be a noticeable factor.
 

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I think having new tags in Siberia would have been interesting, but it would have been better to pick wide-roaming nomadic peoples to the west and south (Yakuts spring to mind), who would more feasibly have engaged in the sort of thing represented by the Native migration mechanics, and who wouldn't just give Spain and Portugal an easy in to a region that they shouldn't be interested in in the first place.

Are they confirmed pagan? If not, no exploration CB.

Regardless, if they colonize they'll avert the Siberians simply spamming colonies there in the early 1600's. Pagan or not, Iberia won't attack until they can core it, and if they can core it, then in 1.7 they could have and would have just colonized there because derp ^_^.

I'm a little surprised to see that the Sibir Khanate wasn't added

They already exist as a tag, they have cores in northern Uzbek and Uzbek begins the game not having cores on those provinces.
 

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Oh no....it looks like Korea has taken a significant nerf....Paradox for shame. Do not fall prey to the Korean nationalists who believe Korean culture to be significantly separate from that of Chinese influence. Nay, it is not different during this time frame, and the idea of a "Korean" state had barely existed until King Sejong took up the mantle of Uniting Korea as a Korean entity for the first time in history, sparking the traditions of modern Korea. Before this time there were no significant differences between Chinese and Korean culture. FOR SHAME PARADOX.

i think you mean korea got a 'buff'...its much stronger in AOW than current version. most people on these forums know that korea was a tributary of ming during this era, but those type of diplomatic relations are not simulated in eu4.
 

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Great job with the client states, and the new Battle interface looks interesting. I'm not really excited about the changes to the steeps though, I would have preferred to see something along the lines of the Middle East, Japan, Balkans, Mesoamerica, Andes or maybe East Africa.

Aside from that, It's good to see you're continuing you're continuing to add depth to every mechanic, though I hope the Coptics and Protestants will be able to get some mechanics as well (and maybe a better Shinto to Catholic conversion, more bonus' and tradeoffs.)

Also, have you thought of buffing the Empire Government Type? Maybe a Legitimacy boost and/or Culture Acceptance modifier instead of Vassal Income?