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...Muslims/Ottos can have 6:4 cav:inf iirc and still get tactics bonus, steppe 7:3, eastern euro 5:5, western euro 4:6, indian 6:4, not sure about chinese. Eastern euro may be 6:4, and western 5:5, memory is a bit foggy as I rarely reach those ratios.

I looked into the game files and the ratios are as follows: 1:2 cavalry/total army size ratio for Western, Ottoman(!), Chinese, Indian, New World and Sub-Saharan tech groups, 3:5 for Eastern tech group, 4:5 for Muslim tech group (the 5 nations for this challenge are here!) and finally 1:1 for Steppe tech group.

Note that if you are precisely on this ratio (such as fielding 5.000 cavalry and 5.000 infantry as, say, France) you will NOT get the combined arms bonus. 5.000 cavalry and 6.000 infantry will do the trick

Also the tooltip in-game is slightly misleading. It says "cavalry to infantry ratio" but that is incorrect. The ratio is in fact the total size of your army divided by the number of cavalrymen.

Btw, it is NOT the number of your cavalry regiments, it is really the total number of troops that count. So if your infantry suffers higher losses than your cavalry, you can drop below the desired ratio and lose the combined arms bonus.
 

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I think I mentioned it before, but very early on I switched over to Sunni. You can just let someone force convert you for minimal hassle, and your much better off as Sunni.

Almost all of my reloads were actually complete restarts. It's important to break out of OPM status asap. Once you get some momentum it's fairly simple to conquer all the neighbouring countries.

I was somewhat lucky in that the Mamluks got crusaded, but I did have to take on a giant and extremely stable Timurid on my own. I have actually played quite a lot of muslim games, so this challenge wasn't all that unfamiliar to me. I suspect I will struggle a lot more with future challenges, so I hope you guys are happy to give me advice also! :)
 

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I looked into the game files and the ratios are as follows: 1:2 cavalry/total army size ratio for Western, Ottoman(!), Chinese, Indian, New World and Sub-Saharan tech groups, 3:5 for Eastern tech group, 4:5 for Muslim tech group (the 5 nations for this challenge are here!) and finally 1:1 for Steppe tech group.

Note that if you are precisely on this ratio (such as fielding 5.000 cavalry and 5.000 infantry as, say, France) you will NOT get the combined arms bonus. 5.000 cavalry and 6.000 infantry will do the trick

Also the tooltip in-game is slightly misleading. It says "cavalry to infantry ratio" but that is incorrect. The ratio is in fact the total size of your army divided by the number of cavalrymen.

Btw, it is NOT the number of your cavalry regiments, it is really the total number of troops that count. So if your infantry suffers higher losses than your cavalry, you can drop below the desired ratio and lose the combined arms bonus.

Thanks for looking into this! It's exactly what I was trying to say in my vague way.

Generally your infantry will take more losses than your cavalry, both from assalting forts and because they tend to get put in the middle during battles meaning they will always take damage while your cavalry may not. Better safe than sorry, though 80% cavalry is a bit crazy anyway.
 

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Haha I love Yemen's absolute monarchy - I currently have 39 infamy but I'm still under my infamy limit:D I also managed to get control of Thrace, I just don't know where the hell will I get 500 ducats for a CoT
 

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well i just had a game where the damn Haasa got a PU on Mamluks and Oman in the same year :( they inherited (how?) both 2 years later.
 

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well i just had a game where the damn Haasa got a PU on Mamluks and Oman in the same year :( they inherited (how?) both 2 years later.

Quick, tag switch before anyone notices! I won't tell. ;)
 

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Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim!

With the destruction of Haasa, Sultan squashed but a bug in the nest of vipers. The venom of heresy still flowed freely in the land of Arabia poisoning the minds of Muslims, and its source was Oman. This time however, there was no usurper to divide the heretic forces, no clever trick that he could employ - so the great Malik acted with humility and prayed to Allah to give him an opportunity to strike. And the opportunity presented itself during the wedding when Sheikh Watban took the eldest daughter of the Omani Sultan Mahzum Nabhan, the beautiful and virtuous Fatima as his second wife...


Abbas the chronicler tightened his grip in a fit of rage, breaking the quill he was using. He knew too well what happened during this wedding, even though it happened before he was born, and Allah did not have any part in it. And yet marvellous stories started circulating about the whole affair between the common people, where the marriage plans of Watban Sa'ud were threatened by warlocks wielding power over evil spirits and controlling winds blowing in the four corners of the world. Before they could release poisonous vapours that could kill the soon-to-be bride, the brave Sultan stormed their fortress in the middle of the desert with only the help of a camel, monkey and donkey that were saved by him during the journey there. And - after slaying the warlocks - he found great quantities of weapons that they wanted to arm an army of evil spirit with along with a magic pearl that granted the owner one wish at the time of great peril. When the Sultan arrived in Muscat, he was presented with a whole fleet of silver ships carrying coins and gemstones. The Omani sultan hoped that Watban could not match his generosity, which would shame him enough to cancel his marriage, but the brave Sheikh gave the magic pearl in return - which everyone decided was a gift surpassing all the gold he had received. The evil Mahzum decided for one last attempt - he showed Watban his younger daughter and told him that she was his bride, but one look into her eyes made the Sultan realize that - although no less beautiful - she was not the virtuous virgin he was promised. Only after this he was presented with Mahzum's elder daughter, which he married. But his opinion about his bride's younger sister was proven true, as in the night after the wedding, she felt envious of her sisters pleasure and invited shaitan, the devil, to her chamber...

The truth was, of course more prosaic. When agreeing about the terms of the alliance their countries would make, the sultans of Oman and Najd decided that for the price of 20,360 dirhams Watban would end the policy of persecutions against Shiites. He fulfilled this promise by ordering the most radical imams to be killed - which he benefited from, as their possessions were confiscated and used to buy Damascus steel for his troops. And on the wedding a scandal happened: a younger daughter of the Omani sultan was deflowered by someone, as bloodstains on her bed demonstrated, although the offender could not be found. Using this as a pretext, Watban declared that a man shamed this way by his own daughter was not fit to rule an Islamic country, and decided that as the husband of his only virtuous daughter left - he was destined to rule Oman. And this marked the beginning of war.

... 9 months later the disgraced girl gave birth to a bastard son, dying in the process. This time Allah showed mercy, as only the ongoing war prevented her painful execution. And the son was Abbas ibn mafi. Abbas, son of nobody. Of course the chronicler guessed the truth, when one of the councilmen started helping him in his career. It was Khalid ibn Saadik, the spymaster.



The war raged on, with the nation of Jalarids declared readiness to fight with the heretics, however the armies of Watban armed with Damascus steel and the clear words of the Koran faced the vile Shiites, who have offended Allah long enough. The battle raged on the dunes of Liwa and Allah showed once again who was the righteous one. Out of three thousand Omani soldiers, no man with sword was left alive. Some say that seeing the slaughter of his army, Mahzum Nabhan pulled the pearl that was given to him by Watban from under his robe and wished that he was safe in his capital, and the genie which transported him advised the Omani lord to surrender. The truth is that no evil spirits would save the villain from the victorious Sultan Watban - Mahzum was captured and escorted to Muscat, where he renounced his power and went on to live a life thanking the Najdian Malik for his mercy. The petty sheikhs of the Omani forts decided that they were Maliks or Sultans in their own right, with Akhmad of Suhar even usurped the title of Caliph, before being brutally and rightfully executed for this heresy. Yet it was the Jalarids and not Najd which took the forts, as before finishing a war that would break a lesser men - Sultan Watban was forced to start an even greater campaign in the West...


Omani Sultan Mazhum Nabhan alone, facing the armies of Sultan Watban after his army was destroyed, just before using the magic pearl to be transported by genies to safety

Phiew, its over! Sorry for such a long story, but the game was quite cool, and I could not resist making a story about it. I wanted to just tribal feud Oman, but then they ha disputed succession. I was overjoyed but then... they have more prestige! I thought about RM'ing everyone, but the diplomats did not come fast enough. Then I remembered that there are many missions for spies to lower certain statistics for countries, and it turned out that prestige was one of them! It was the first time I used this spy mission. I thought about a rationalization that would make all of this come together in RP terms, and I hope you like my ideas. Then, of course, I had to make an even longer Arabic-night style legend that the common folk would create over the next decade :)

Status report: Hasa annexed and Oman PU'd.
 
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I thought it has Despotic Monarchy, not Absolute?

Yeah you're right, I mixed up my terms:]

Aaaaan on topic, I finally finished the challenge! Mostly this was the theme of my game:D
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But then I spawned a 6-star master of mint and I got this event 3 times (tho the stab hit sucked hard)
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I expanded too fast, got over-extension, and this started happening (A LOT:D)
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But then I got all the way to this fancy city and I even made a CoT there!
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And this is the end result:]
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4 points correct?
 

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@vitek69 - That may only be 3 points, as the initially drawn borders for the 2 point central boost included some provinces east of you, from Mazandaran down to Hormuz. Still better than I managed, though.
 

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The King Has Returned, What did I miss?? GOOD NEWS I Hope!!

EDIT: Very Good News Indeed!!!

Im gonna charge timurids and get 5 points!

GO GET EM!!!

@Niels.p: Temporary insanity of the Monarch. Ha I love that event.

I didn't realize the countries were SO poor! Ohh what did I get myself into...?:D

HAHAHAHA!!!!

@AppoX: Doin Good. Keep It up!!

@vitek69 And HandOfBane: Bane is close, but Hormuz inst needed. Fars Ajam and That M one at the top are all thats needed for your +4.
 
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... @vitek69 And HandOfBane: Bane is close, but Hormuz inst needed. Fars Ajam and That M one at the top are all thats needed for your +4.

Right, silly me! Time to switch to Unam Sanctam and go visit my Persian friends:D You know what's kinda silly though? I created that Persia myself - during my first war with the Timurids, I had too few troops to face them so I funded nationalists and boom - 10.000 insta-troops friendly to me. Then I just shaded their stack with all my troops and the Timurids never attacked me. Hedjaz and Oman (I had them in a PU back then) did all the sieging for me. Eventually the Persian nationalists declared independence. And cuz I was who funded them they were at 200 relations with me so we became allies (and still are)

I always feel that this is is the theme of my games:

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Although it not temporary.

Great job btw, what was your tactic taking down the Mamluks and Ottomans?

Haha yeah I feel you. Luckily I got that event only once

I PU'd The Mamluks, attacked them when they were at war with Qara Koyonlu and Timurids - I kept checking the ledger until I saw that they have 0 manpower and then I swooped in. By that time I owned all of Arabian peninsula and Iraq so I could afford a fair number of troops. And since they couldn't replenish losses...not too difficult.

Ottomans were crappy in my game. I got Thrace and two provinces in Anatolia by annexing Byzantium actually. I also annexed 3-province Karaman, 2-province Candar and OPMs Trebizond, Dulkadir and Mantese. Then I got a border dispute CB on them and went to war. Got all their provinces in Anatolia in one go. And as I already had Thrace, I didn't have to worry about crossing the strait to Europe because I placed troops there before the war. To be honest though, I got kinda lucky, because in the 5 years before the war with Ottomans I had 2 nationalists rebellions in Thrace. Why is that lucky? Because they each spawned 20.000 big stack - and after they were done in Constantinople, they moved to Edirne and absolutely devastated Ottoman armies:D Up to the point that when I declared war they also had 0 manpower:D
 

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I actually had to revert to an older save game where Persia was smaller, so I could annex it in one go. On the other hand I could change my monetary policy and this made me very happy:
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So this time, hopefully for 4 points:] (I also took some provinces off of Timurids, just to be sure)
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Wouldn't it be +4 because he's not Haasa?

Tbh, I think he doesn't actually even have the required provinces in Persia, southern Georgia and the QK provinces at the Caspian Sea. But it is not up to me to judge
 
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So, I finally got some time to play eu3:

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Unfortunately I can't create a CoT in Thrace because Alexandria isn't rich enough neither poor enough to abandon it:

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I hope that's still ok for 4 points.
 

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Quite a few people had the same issue, including me. You either have to destory your other CoTs to push alexandria up, or take some more african provinces. Fan would definitely be under 500 still, so just destroying that might do it. :)
 

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am i really gonna be the only guy to finish up on one point? Such a bunch of pros. jeez.