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SecondReich said:
I just hope my computer will run EUIII, or else...well... :mad: :(
If worse comes to worse, just delete all the events. One of the biggest leeching of RAM came from all the trigger checking that the thousands of EU II events did! :eek:
 

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I find it really sad that alot of people here are telling them not to change the graphics..

you HAVE to be kidding me.... i have loved every single paradox game.. but they *NEED* to change engines...

If they want big sales then they HAVE to go 3D ... or to something close (Some games like rise of nations use 2D and 3D... eg 2D for the buildings so u can get awsome detail.. but 3D for the units + effects)

And if you cant play it... then u need a new computer :p
 

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i dont think you have to worry about that :p

im glad to see new engine just hope it will be scalable so us non CS kids can run it..
 

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i dont think you have to worry about that :p

I think the same was said/hoped/thought about Diplomacy.. and look what happend. Some companies should stick to solutions that have worked in the past. I hope this wont end as MOO3 and Diplo did.
 
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I think the same was said/hoped/thought about Diplomacy.. and look what happend. Some companies should stick to solutions that have worked in the past. I hope this wont end as MOO3 and Diplo did.

Sadly this is true.

Paradox, if you go 3D on your titles then you need another Beta Group too.
The Mod Testers.

You need this because if you go 3D the game may prove too complex to Mod the way players want. That, all by itself might turn a winner into an also ran.
(Will post this to Betatest Thread too I think)
 

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Hmmm... in the requirements it says it needs Pixel Shaders 1.3, i dont think my nVidia Gforce4 mx 440 supports that... going to by a new Graphic Card.

EDIT: Opss! it says Vertex Shader! Sorry, i think my graphs can handle that.
 

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Trip said:
I'm happy with the move to 3D. Seeing the terrain with actual forests and elevated terrain will be a lot more immersive than colored provinces.

Now, for a game that is about the world, I think a 2D map is simply perfect. I don't remember any game about ruling an entire nation that got any improvement for going 3D (3D is perfect for tactical games and the like but for managing provinces?) Diplomacy is just a perfect example of a game that don't get anything interesting of going 3D

Since it is decided to go 3D, I hope they manage to optimize it.
 

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arcorelli said:
Now, for a game that is about the world, I think a 2D map is simply perfect. I don't remember any game about ruling an entire nation that got any improvement for going 3D (3D is perfect for tactical games and the like but for managing provinces?) Diplomacy is just a perfect example of a game that don't get anything interesting of going 3D

Since it is decided to go 3D, I hope they manage to optimize it.
Well the provinces were still pretty plain and ugly in Diplomacy. Trust me. I could care less for 3D, but this will attract many new customers. However, I hope 3D still captures the elegance that was EU II.
 

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arcorelli said:
Now, for a game that is about the world, I think a 2D map is simply perfect. I don't remember any game about ruling an entire nation that got any improvement for going 3D (3D is perfect for tactical games and the like but for managing provinces?) Diplomacy is just a perfect example of a game that don't get anything interesting of going 3D

Since it is decided to go 3D, I hope they manage to optimize it.
Personally, I find the style used in the strategic map of Rome: Total War to be quite elegant and stylish. Not perfect for EU but I prefer it to a simple map like we've seen before.

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/589390_20040922_screen013.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/589390_20040920_screen020.jpg

Not everyone will agree obviously with this sentiment in particular, but graphics are important to everyone. If EU3 used ASCII art then the vast majority of people here would be hugely disappointed, even if the gameplay was much superior to what's come before. We have to face the reality that the better the game looks the more people will like it.
 

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Awesome idea, I've already volunteerized myself as a beta tester. I really hope the game will be awesome, and that it actually sells a lot. Two ideas:

First of all I really think, one thing which would make the game successful is that, contrary to what happened with Civ4, is that the game is actually playable with a somewhat weak computer. That will very possibly have some success with famillies which have low money power to improve a weak computer, and to get a 2006 game that actually runs with a somewhat weak computer would be a great boon as far as I can see it. Now the great idea...And this is directed for the EU2 team :p

After this Europa Universalis III, I would advise, (or at least very much like to) to see your team, which will most probably have a great deal of experience making games like this one, join up with Sid Meier and his teams to create either EU 4, or most probably due to Firaxis greater importance, Colonization 2. I'd love to see you guys work with Sid to make pretty much a great game. With Firaxis you'd have money to invest to make a game which could easily surpass this one. You'd have Civ4's team, and you'd have yourselves with a wide experience at colonization games. Think about it ;)
 

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Well the provinces were still pretty plain and ugly in Diplomacy. Trust me. I could care less for 3D, but this will attract many new customers. However, I hope 3D still captures the elegance that was EU II.
Me too, EU2 map design is the best 2D ever made... far, far away from other games in same category. And I say map (as in History books), not 2D isometric or 3D but let Paradox surprise us!
 

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I am 100% sure it will be absolutly perfect!
 

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Me too, EU2 map design is the best 2D ever made...


im sorry but I have to disagree the eu2 map is pretty damn ugly imo! but its very functional and the game is fun anyway so i dont care i hope that gameplay will be the focus in eu3 as well not another "we have pretty grafixxx with many X's buy it now!"
 

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I am 100% sure it will be absolutly perfect!
I am 100% sure there will be lots of flaming whining and griping on release.
(after the obligatory Yay!-thread)
 

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Trip said:
Not everyone will agree obviously with this sentiment in particular, but graphics are important to everyone. If EU3 used ASCII art then the vast majority of people here would be hugely disappointed, even if the gameplay was much superior to what's come before. We have to face the reality that the better the game looks the more people will like it.


Well, everyone prefers better graphics, but really there are quite good looking maps anyway. And RTW look so unrealistic to me anyway, I can relate better to a map.

But since the thing is going 3D I settle for optimization and not a cartoonish-look
 

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I know that they will build the map to suit the needs of the enigine that they will build. I want to echo what was said above. Graphics, to those of us that have played since EU, should be secondary to the gameplay. I think CK has a good set up and if you can improve upon it. But I know I want a Henry VIII profile.