eu3 chronicles expansions?

[Illanair]

No bullshit here at all - It is entirely common practice that any game you buy off of steam with expansions have all of them pre-installed. The fact that newer expansions have changed/fixed/added to "old" features is also perfectly normal - in fact has been like this since the term expansion was coined.

As for the achievements - barely anyone used the service apparantly and Paradox are considering whether to make them available offline or leave them be. Steam always contains manuals for games - and they are always outdated quickly due to patches. They only serve to explain game concepts.

 

[unmerged(564570)]

No bullshit here at all - It is entirely common practice that any game you buy off of steam with expansions have all of them pre-installed. The fact that newer expansions have changed/fixed/added to "old" features is also perfectly normal - in fact has been like this since the term expansion was coined.

I have no idea what is being sold on steam. I just bought old style boxed cd/dvd. (Was it OP who used steam? Well, nevermind)
I also have no opinion on whether some things are common practice or not.
The thing is that both the box and the advertisement say cd contains EU3, IN, NA, DW, HTTT (in that order), which is not true.
Do you really think that it is reasonable and to be expected that by buying EU3 and expansions separetely you get *different* value than buying them in one shot?
What I would expect is that either you get all the expansions on one disk instead of many or, if you are lucky, there is additional installer which allows you to pick what you want to install and does stuff behind your back.

One more funny thing.
When I complained at the shop they agreed and offered me full refund but also stated that according to the law I bought a *license* for EU3, etc. so while it is unfortunate that some content is missing it is perfectly within the law to copy required files from different, legit media. Really funny

EDIT: and no, I don't want refund. thats not the point.

 

[Illanair]

I have no idea what is being sold on steam. I just bought old style boxed cd/dvd. (Was it OP who used steam? Well, nevermind)
I also have no opinion on whether some things are common practice or not.
The thing is that both the box and the advertisement say cd contains EU3, IN, NA, DW, HTTT (in that order), which is not true.

Yes - yes it is true. You won't find many video games that has any form of "modular" expansions as they tend to fix issues in previous ones or change gameplay mechanics to better suit the newer expansion (or just in general). Installing expansion Y will overlap and replace that of expansion X while retaining the game mechanics of X.

Buying the base game and every expansion seperately and installing them all would get you the exact same end result as buying them all as a single package.

Though I do believe I have already said this - baseline is that you were not mislead, not cheated in anyway and you have no general entitlement to a refund of any kind (region/country specific refund legislation aside)

 

[AndrewT]

The thing is that both the box and the advertisement say cd contains EU3, IN, NA, DW, HTTT (in that order), which is not true.

It IS true. As I pointed out, features and data from all those games is in there.

Do you really think that it is reasonable and to be expected that by buying EU3 and expansions separetely you get *different* value than buying them in one shot?
What I would expect is that either you get all the expansions on one disk instead of many or, if you are lucky, there is additional installer which allows you to pick what you want to install and does stuff behind your back.

Yes, as it has always been that way. Nowhere does it set an expectation that you can play each expansion separately.

One more funny thing.
When I complained at the shop they agreed and offered me full refund but also stated that according to the law I bought a *license* for EU3, etc. so while it is unfortunate that some content is missing it is perfectly within the law to copy required files from different, legit media. Really funny

All software you buy is like that, it's nothing peculiar to Paradox. Read an EULA some time.

 

[Felicity]

The thing is that both the box and the advertisement say cd contains EU3, IN, NA, DW, HTTT (in that order), which is not true.

But the expansions chronologically are NA -> IN -> HTTT -> DW.

DW is the latest expansion, and is inclusive of the most features, bugfixes, and patches.

I understand that you may want to play an earlier expansion, but there is really no reason to. It's not an MMO where things get simplified over time. The game only gets better. (Except arguably for some of the horde changes and cascading alliances but those don't really make the game /worse/.)

 

[DDRJake]

I bought HTTT on Steam. I enjoyed it and when DW came out I bought it too. It was nice and all but I really wanted to switch back to HTTT for a while.

I was frustrated to find out I didn't have that option and having all sources go "ah, but you technically payed for xxx and this is the reason that you can't have xxx anymore but you technically do own xxx" only serves to further frustrate.

 

[unmerged(564570)]

Yes - yes it is true. You won't find many video games that has any form of "modular" expansions as they tend to fix issues in previous ones or change gameplay mechanics to better suit the newer expansion (or just in general). Installing expansion Y will overlap and replace that of expansion X while retaining the game mechanics of X.

It seems I haven't made myself perfectly clear. I do not expect, that after installing DW I'll be able to play, say, HTTT.
I just want to play HTTT. And since - in theory - I bought EU3, IN, NA, HTTT I would expect I'm able to do it. I don't want to install DW, and overwrite previous expansions, but I just do not have such option. Or is such option deeply buried somewhere?
Also, as far as I know, all the games have modular expansions, and each expansion can be played if certain conditions are fulfilled (eg. all previous expansions are already installed).
But here, I am *NOT* able to play earlier expansions though I - in theory - bought them. In fact, as I stated before, what is supplied is DW and its prerequisites and end user is able to play DW only.

Buying the base game and every expansion seperately and installing them all would get you the exact same end result as buying them all as a single package.

The thing is, I don't want to install them all. I just want to play earlier expansions. OK?
If I bought expansions separately I could do it. Now, I can not.

 

[unmerged(564570)]

It IS true. As I pointed out, features and data from all those games is in there.

Sorry, I do not have neither will nor time to point out which features of older expansions are not available in DW.
As far as question of truth is concerned, I'm a follower of Aristotle. If we can't agree in this point I find further discussion pointless.

Yes, as it has always been that way. Nowhere does it set an expectation that you can play each expansion separately.

So you bought a new car with lights, gearbox and steering wheel. Beware! Nowhere its been said that you can use gearbox without turning the lights on.

All software you buy is like that, it's nothing peculiar to Paradox. Read an EULA some time.

Actually, I do not think that suggestion to copy missing content from non publicly available source is nothing peculiar. But thats just me

But hey, you said everything is there. So why do I have to copy anything to be able to play HTTT? Maybe I don't?

 

[unmerged(564570)]

But the expansions chronologically are NA -> IN -> HTTT -> DW.

Yes, the expansions on the box are listed in different order. This strengthens the belief that they can be installed at will. That not only DW is installable.

DW is the latest expansion, and is inclusive of the most features, bugfixes, and patches.

I understand that you may want to play an earlier expansion, but there is really no reason to. It's not an MMO where things get simplified over time. The game only gets better. (Except arguably for some of the horde changes and cascading alliances but those don't really make the game /worse/.)

Well, of course I undestand that many people (maybe even most) see it that way, and they do not really care, but I think this is beside the point.
If some earlier expansion gives me more fun thats only my business.

Also, I think there is more "general" reason to play older versions. Eg. some mods work with older versions only.
Please don't raise the argument that PI doesn't support mods etc. All I ask is to be able to install older versions if I bought them (or to be honest and not tell me that the package I'm about to buy contains them).

 

[unmerged(177306)]

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[AndrewT]

Sorry, I do not have neither will nor time to point out which features of older expansions are not available in DW.

I didn't say they were ALL still available, I explicitly mentioned that some had been superseded in later versions:

All data and features from the earlier expansions are still in DW, except any that were superseded.

So you bought a new car with lights, gearbox and steering wheel. Beware! Nowhere its been said that you can use gearbox without turning the lights on.

Which has nothing whatever to do with this situation. Completely invalid analogy. Each Paradox expansion overwrites all previous expansions of that game, always have and presumably always will. You somehow got the impression that this was not so, or simply assumed it without basis. I'm sorry for that but it was a mistaken impression unsupported by anything Paradox published.

Actually, I do not think that suggestion to copy missing content from non publicly available source is nothing peculiar. But thats just me

I hope you are not referring to software piracy here; I did not and would not ever suggest that.

But hey, you said everything is there. So why do I have to copy anything to be able to play HTTT? Maybe I don't?

You ARE playing HttT, but with the additional content that DW provided overlaid onto it.

 

[Illanair]

I can certainly see the validity of your argument Slaw - However on Steam this isn't possible if you buy the Chronicles edition. Think of it as a Game of the year edition - everything preinstalled when you buy and start it.

Your only choice would be to buy the base game and every expansion you'd want seperately - which isn't going to be as cheap as buying the whole package. Which is quite common these days.