EU2 is the cruelest game ever...

[Schweiger]

...it gets right into your heart and then rips it apart.

/rant on

I can't figure how some of you guys manage to accomplish a WC nowadays (my last one was on 1.05).
I'm playing Tver-Russia for about two years now. Nothing else. Again and again. Goal: WC. Very hard/furious on 1.09 vanilla now. Always failing. Until now. Seemingly...
It's 1760. Finally everything worked. BB wars since the 40ies. I have already DAed Austria and Spain. France, Portugal, England and Netherlands are vassals and only there to colonize (just about 40 uncolonized provinces left -> if I WC, I also world-colorize). Every Pagan is annexed. Only Asia is left to subdue. China should be finished until 1810.
Then in the span of 8 months:
Political crisis -> stab to -2
Civil war -> I recruit heavily
Civil war -> newly recruited troops now fighting against me, I recruit wherever possible
Civil war -> government falls, about 30 new nations crop up, I quit and weep

If I reload and win, the WC will always have a tainted touch - I swore never to change anything in the savefiles (not even against those darned locked wars the AI tends to get itself into), not to exploit (no turbo-annexing etc) and never to reload.
This game is soooooo cruel!!! Please comfort me!

/rant off

 

[JoeGiavani]

EU2 is indeed cruel.
The way I see it, the revolt system is completely useless, more than half of the revolts that I have are from event, why bother to pretend that you can change it.

 

[Ayeshteni]

There, there, there

*pats Schweiger on the back*

let it all out, thats it, do you a world of good, yes. My poor little conqueror.

hehe. yes EU2 is a cruel game. I have never attempted a WC (didn't want to fail miserably trying it) but then a WC isn't supposed to be easy........ unless you are Peter Ebbesen that is.

Ayeshteni

 

[unmerged(56576)]

The problem is that a Political Crisis or a diplomatic insult happen even if you don't have a vast empire. Playing Portugal in the XV century is like entering hell: I only got Political Crisis events. My relations with Castile, Aragon and Navarra were all great until the damn diplomatic insult event happened several times destroying my diplomacy. Scandal at the Court happened frequently and the positive events were very few. I mean, how in the world did a king have four major scandals in a decade and still remain in the throne or even survive? And how your best friend can suddenly insult you and become your worst enemy in days? These events are weird and need to be reworked.

 

[orimazd]

Just reload. It shouldn't taint the game, since it decided to play dirty against you.

 

[Sleepyhead]

You should try to do the same with Vicky

 

[Schweiger]

You should try to do the same with Vicky

The same? You mean to crash and burn? :-/

A related question: Which factors heigthen the chance of getting a civil war (didn't find anything at the FAQ forum)? By now I am ready to accept the notion, that under certain circumstances three civil wars in the span of eight months are not some kind of winning-80-million-euros-in-the-lottery probability.

 

[Sleepyhead]

The same? You mean to crash and burn? :-/

Oh yes, I recommend it. The rant will be three times longer

A related question: Which factors heigthen the chance of getting a civil war? By now I am ready to accept the notion, that under certain circumstances three civil wars in the span of eight months are not some kind of winning-80-million-euros-in-the-lottery probability.

Low stability and high badboy.

 

[Schweiger]

Low stability and high badboy.

What about policy settings? War exhaustion? Certain numbers/probabilities? Cause low stab and high BB are givens when going for a WC.

One thing I noticed: No civil war while at war with someone else. Yet war exhaustion has to drop sometime...

 

[unmerged(36826)]

One thing I noticed: No civil war while at war with someone else. Yet war exhaustion has to drop sometime...

You can't get a civil war while at war, so if you don't have massive WE declare war on Navaho or somesuch just to stop a civil war while you raise your stab to +1 and are thus free of such incidents.

 

[Registered]

What about policy settings? War exhaustion? Certain numbers/probabilities? Cause low stab and high BB are givens when going for a WC.

IIRC high centralisation reduces the chance of civil war.
Or maybe that was in aprevious patch. I'm not sure.

 

[labalag]

You can't get a civil war while at war, so if you don't have massive WE declare war on Navaho or somesuch just to stop a civil war while you raise your stab to +1 and are thus free of such incidents.

Or you could just occupy a one province minor with 1K troops after the province fell, works the same...

Oh and Sweiger if you think that is cruel in my last three MP games I had 3 CWs, atleast in MP the players are decent enough to not DOW you while being in a CW and some will even help you come over it...

 

[unmerged(10915)]

Oh and Sweiger if you think that is cruel in my last three MP games I had 3 CWs, atleast in MP the players are decent enough to not DOW you while being in a CW and some will even help you come over it...

What kind of a sandbox of a game do you play in?

 

[labalag]

Test of Skill, Tides of Darkness and Defeat before Dismemberment...

Luckilly I was just a sub in Test of Skill and Tonioz was friendly enough to help me, DBD was in its last session and in Tides of Darkness no-oe really bothered...

 

[unmerged(10915)]

Test of Skill, Tides of Darkness and Defeat before Dismemberment...

Luckilly I was just a sub in Test of Skill and Tonioz was friendly enough to help me, DBD was in its last session and in Tides of Darkness no-oe really bothered...

Yeah, i kind of agree with you anyway. Attacking while a country is suffering from a civil war (as long as the attacker hasnt been suffering from hundreds of years of invasion and things from the civil-warred nation) is even worse than a dirty backstab. If a country attacks a civil-warred nation, this nation will pretty much have a psychologic CB on his attacker for the rest of the game.

 

[Schweiger]

Don't try to steal and run away with my thread of misery and self-pity!

Anyways, I have re-loaded the game and played it two more times. It hasn't been so bad as before, but each time I still got two civil wars in the space of 1-2 years as soon as stab got to <1, which remains unmanageable and is hardly pure chance.

The facts:
Centralization at Max.
War exhaustion -7 or -6
BB four times the limit.
stab (this time) 0

I read the documentation of the changes to civil wars in the different versions, and all I found was this:

"--------------------------------------
CHANGES DONE TO VERSION 1.08
--------------------------------------
- Civil wars will no longer happen when at positive stability.
- Civil wars are now more likely if no centralization, but less likely if centralized.

--------------------------------------
CHANGES DONE TO VERSION 1.09
--------------------------------------
- Being above the badboy limit now makes it more likely to get a civil war."


This doesn't help at all. The change to 1.09 doesn't say 'The higher your BB value, the higher the chance of getting a civil war, especially if above the BB limit.' but rather gives the impression of adding a fixed percentage to the chance of the event happening as soon as you pass the limit (and nothing else).

As I said before: Being above 0 stab consinstently or not being above your BB limit is impossible when trying a WC.

I just can't figure it out...

(edit: If someone wants to try it too - the savegame is here.)

 

[unmerged(51378)]

Don't try to steal and run away with my thread of misery and self-pity!

Anyways, I have re-loaded the game and played it two more times. It hasn't been so bad as before, but each time I still got two civil wars in the space of 1-2 years as soon as stab got to <1, which remains unmanageable and is hardly pure chance.

The facts:
Centralization at Max.
War exhaustion -7 or -6
BB four times the limit.
stab (this time) 0

I read the documentation of the changes to civil wars in the different versions, and all I found was this:

"--------------------------------------
CHANGES DONE TO VERSION 1.08
--------------------------------------
- Civil wars will no longer happen when at positive stability.
- Civil wars are now more likely if no centralization, but less likely if centralized.

--------------------------------------
CHANGES DONE TO VERSION 1.09
--------------------------------------
- Being above the badboy limit now makes it more likely to get a civil war."


This doesn't help at all. The change to 1.09 doesn't say 'The higher your BB value, the higher the chance of getting a civil war, especially if above the BB limit.' but rather gives the impression of adding a fixed percentage to the chance of the event happening as soon as you pass the limit (and nothing else).

As I said before: Being above 0 stab consinstently or not being above your BB limit is impossible when trying a WC.

I just can't figure it out...

(edit: If someone wants to try it too - the savegame is here.)

A WC is supposed to be hard.

 

[unmerged(56576)]

A WC is supposed to be hard.

I once had a civil war, but it was not that hard to face. My empire was very big, tough, so if you have a big empire go for total centralization immediately. Also I had a very bad BB rating; when in a WC, it is good to think instead of just fighting . Plan all your wars carefully, especially if your target has the same religion as you and you don't have a casus belli. Or else you will get a very bad reputation...

 

[unmerged(51378)]

I once had a civil war, but it was not that hard to face. My empire was very big, tough, so if you have a big empire go for total centralization immediately. Also I had a very bad BB rating; when in a WC, it is good to think instead of just fighting . Plan all your wars carefully, especially if your target has the same religion as you and you don't have a casus belli. Or else you will get a very bad reputation...

That's good during a WC. Free DoWs, please!

 

[Schweiger]

A WC is supposed to be hard.

Yeah, but not because of unavoidable (?) and unmanageable civil wars. At least for me it was hard enough to get Tver to this point and I thought I had earned some reward :]

I could try and keep BB down by getting my vassal-allies to annex all those one province-minors. Even the thought of having to choose such a strategy makes me uncomfortable, because on the level of realism this is such a stretch. Order your allies to annex tiny nations so your population will not start a civil war or two per year...