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wilcoxchar said:
Why not the 1700s? They had the first experimental hot-air balloons, the first real progress with electricity (lots of dead scientists from this one, though), the beginnings of modern physics, early railroad development in the towns of England. Mozart wrote music, Isaac Newton wrote on physics and math, Ben Franklin and the rustic "fur-cap-wearing" Americans dazzled the European nobility (before the American Revolution brought down the wrath of the British Redcoats on the Colonials). Napoleon, Washington, and the like got to show off what a general could do with the armies of the day. The early mechanized industrialization of England began (every one else followed later, more toward the Vicky-game era).
Well, now that I think about it, it was a pretty transitional kind of century, so it is kind of hard to define compared to the 1500s, 1600s, and 1800s. The 1500s was the race to discover the edges of the world, the 1600s was the colonial race for control of the world, and the 1800s was the century of unending progress, the race to modernize. The 1700s, you had to take someone elses flag out of the ground first if you wanted to plant your own.
EU2 (and the author Patrick O'Brian) gave me new appreciation for the American Revolution and Napoleonic Wars. I also learned A LOT about the Protestant Reformation, Thirty Years War and so forth.
CK so far has convinced me the Pope was either mercurial, psychotic, or Muslim but we'll get back to that.
CK so far has convinced me the Pope was either mercurial, psychotic, or Muslim but we'll get back to that.
EU2 is very educational, I've learned a lot and asked even more questions from playing it. Still can't get enough of it...
you should see me in my high school freshman Geography class once everyone figured out that I was getting perfect scores on my tests and doing maps of the world by memory they all crowd around me when the teechers not looking and copy
Do not let everyone know you are a nerd. At least charge them or make them buy EU2.Mezzo said:
i dont dress like a nerd act like a nerd or even sound like a nerd just have a massive knolege of history and geography and a 133 + IQ
I've always had an interest in history & before I discovered Europa Universalis I'd spend alot of my free time playing historical simulations made by koei.
EU2 has certainly provoked a greater interest in world history for me. Previously my knowledge was incomplete & limited to what they taught me in school. After playing EU2 I've begun to piece together different events in history which has helped me understand it alot better. Though I think it has created a monster out of me as I spend more time researching & scripting 'historical events' than actually playing the game nowadays
Wish EU2 was out when I went to school! Then again you only do well in the subjects your interested in so using EU2 as an educational programe probably won't help unless the student is already passionate about history.
Sorry if this sounds like Amway :wacko:
EU2 has certainly provoked a greater interest in world history for me. Previously my knowledge was incomplete & limited to what they taught me in school. After playing EU2 I've begun to piece together different events in history which has helped me understand it alot better. Though I think it has created a monster out of me as I spend more time researching & scripting 'historical events' than actually playing the game nowadays
Wish EU2 was out when I went to school! Then again you only do well in the subjects your interested in so using EU2 as an educational programe probably won't help unless the student is already passionate about history.
Sorry if this sounds like Amway :wacko:
Thanks to EU2, I got into my Hist 1611 prof's good graces. Hist 1611 was European Expansionism, so to prep for class I took a run through AGCEEP Spain. Sure enough, half the things we studied were covered by events! I had an answer for pretty much every question he had.
EU2 has also taught me tons about world geography. It's sad to say but before I got this game I couldn't tell Manchu from Mozambique. Well, that's embelishment but you get the idea!
EU2 has also taught me tons about world geography. It's sad to say but before I got this game I couldn't tell Manchu from Mozambique. Well, that's embelishment but you get the idea!
I also agree with the educational importance of Paradox Games, in fact, I remember, in one of my History A-level exams(in Spain), I was asked who was Durruti, and I knew 'cause it was a leader in HoI
true true. I introduced a friend to the game. He said everything about history and geography he learned from EU2. Says a lot about a guy who has just finished his PhD in computers and neuro-science.
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Very intreresting thoughts, actually.
I teach History in high-school and I´ve been thinking about using EU2 in class. But what can be done in a three-hour session? Firstly, it takes quite a bit of time to teach the students the game mechanics, and then the game itself takes a long time to play.
Is there anymore history teachers in this forum? If you have any ideas, please feel free to drop me a line!
Thanks!
I teach History in high-school and I´ve been thinking about using EU2 in class. But what can be done in a three-hour session? Firstly, it takes quite a bit of time to teach the students the game mechanics, and then the game itself takes a long time to play.
Is there anymore history teachers in this forum? If you have any ideas, please feel free to drop me a line!
Thanks!
As I recall from Carlec's posts several months ago he had his students playing in many sessions over several weeks. One 3-hour session wouldn't be nearly enough. I'll try to find his thread but it may take a while ...
Make them buy the game and play it for homework. They should also respond in writing to what actions they do as well as thoughts on the events they face. AARs would be extra credit. In fact, maybe you should make all of it extra credit.Krigo said:Very intreresting thoughts, actually.
I teach History in high-school and I´ve been thinking about using EU2 in class. But what can be done in a three-hour session? Firstly, it takes quite a bit of time to teach the students the game mechanics, and then the game itself takes a long time to play.
Is there anymore history teachers in this forum? If you have any ideas, please feel free to drop me a line!
Thanks!
I would definitely do AARs of EU2 games for extra credit in my AP World History class, of course explaining why I did certain things. My friend who I've tried to introduce to P'dox games but sadly have failed keeps saying that EU2 doesn't help you with history because you can do completely ahistorical things. I try to counter his argument, but I can't really think of anything good to counter it with. Any help on this would be appreciated, and I may even make him an avid EU2 player. Another reason he doesn't like EU2 is he doesn't like managing his entire country. I guess that's just something you like or you don't.
Another reason he doesn't like EU2 is he doesn't like managing his entire country. I guess that's just something you like or you don't.
He does not like the management? Tell him to play Victoria, instead.wilcoxchar said:I would definitely do AARs of EU2 games for extra credit in my AP World History class, of course explaining why I did certain things. My friend who I've tried to introduce to P'dox games but sadly have failed keeps saying that EU2 doesn't help you with history because you can do completely ahistorical things. I try to counter his argument, but I can't really think of anything good to counter it with. Any help on this would be appreciated, and I may even make him an avid EU2 player.
EU2 helps with history because it is in a historical setting with historical paramaters (monarchs, leaders, countries, etc.) along with the events. Not even playing, but just looking at the map would teach you. Go to religious map mode and you see where the major religions are. The boy is a fool if he thinks that looking at names like Ayutthaya and Wurtemburg on the map does him nothing. The curiosity that comes with playing EU usually leads to deeper external exploration. I learned much from researching for mods and scripting.
Your friends needs to see EU2 as a game in an historical environment with historical factors. Of course were it not ahistorical then the player would have no choice but be able to watch. I think you can imagine how that would go down as a game. EU2 of course helps with history. If you want to learn all the events that happened read a book. However if you want to gain an overview of history plus an insight into the ways in which rulers made decisions then EU2 is the way to go.
I do not think you will convert this boy with the snide comments he seems to make as excuses, especially the follower boy.